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MTK · 10-05-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You have got that right!! Those two, Holdman and Clemons, do not have the ability that LaVar does. Nothing against those two. Holdman, in his days with Chicago was one of the better linebackers, but neither of the two have the speed, strength, and outright FIRE! to play to the ability of LaVar. Like I said in a previous responce to someone, in this defense, the plays come to you when you are this aggressive. This scheme fits LaVar. Williams and Gibbs were so excited to have LaVar playing in this scheme. Williams said he couldn't wait to see what LaVar was going to do. He would be a probowler every year. Something is going on that nobody knows about, only players and coaches. Where is Danny when you need him? I know he wants LaVar on the field, but he is in no way going to step on Joes toes!

Again, I don't think there is any question that LaVar is one of the most talented players we have, BUT is he worth his monster contract??

That's what it appears this is all boiling down to.

#56fanatic · 10-05-2005, 11:55 AM

He is getting paid what Danny agreed to pay him. there was no negotiation. If someone wanted to pay you 10 million to pick up trash, would you do it? right! What I was reading earlier, they could take to roster bonus, make it guaranteed money and stretch it over the length of the contract. Making the amount a little smaller per year. We are eventually going to come to this problem with all the big names we have on our team. Portis, will have the same problems in the next couple of years. Springs signed a big deal for a guy 30 years old. Was spings worth a 10 million signing bonus? Is any of these guys "worth" all the money they get paid. What I am saying is, once in a blue moon does a guy with the athletic ability, the on the field and off the field persona of a LaVar Arrington come along. He loves the fans and basically was going to let the 6.5 million dispute go away, but the Players union wouldn't let it. He said last year if Dan Snyder and the Redskins ever decide to let him go or say they wanted to trade him he would retire. He does not want to wear another uniform, he want to be a redskins for LIFE. In todays world of sports, that is a very refreshing statement and one that sticks with me when i hear these guys demaning trades, demanding contract extensions, release me all this crap. LaVar is "THE MAN!!!"

Daseal · 10-04-2005, 08:37 AM

If his name isn't being called it also means he's not getting abused for big plays.

jbcjr14 · 10-04-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

If his name isn't being called it also means he's not getting abused for big plays.

Exactly....#56 must not be buying into the system...therefore he is not on the field. We really don't know the reasons, and it really doesn't matter at this point since they continue to win.

heybigstar · 10-04-2005, 09:00 AM

Wait,
if we cut Lavar after this year, doesnt that makes we take a huge cap hit?

our salary cap was starting to look pretty good.. finally gettting trotter off this year for the most part (he might still have a little left)

heybigstar · 10-04-2005, 09:03 AM

"if cut, a signing bonus of more than $11 million would accelerate and count against the 2006 salary cap"

Wow,

although i gues we take a 9 million cut for coles this year.
If we cut him after the season, then finally 2007,
our cap could be in really good shape?

GoSkins! · 10-04-2005, 09:11 AM

Next year Lavar is slated to make $10,542 so if his release fee is $13,200 then we end up taking a 3 million dollar hit (right?). After the June 1st date, we could spread that out.

I would hate to see Lavar go, but financially it is possible.

Schneed10 · 10-04-2005, 09:21 AM

Arrington would be a big hit to the salary cap in 2006 whether he was on the team or off the team. According to Canuck's cap sheets, he's scheduled to count $12 million against the 2006 cap anyway. If releasing him hits us with a cap hit of $11 million in 2006, then that's actually a $1 million savings.

It's hard to know if these numbers are actually right. But one thing's for sure, if we release Arrington in 2006, he's not going to kill the cap like Coles did. He's going to kill our cap whether he's here or not. And if the coaches feel like they're better off with other guys in the lineup, then they might as well cut Arrington loose and clear the cap space for the future.

Schneed10 · 10-04-2005, 09:25 AM

And there is nothing wrong with Warrick Holdman so far. We're ranked 5th in overall defensive yards per game. We've given up an average of 12 points per game. Most importantly, we're 3-0. And as Daseal mentioned, he has not been making mistakes. He's cheap and he plays within the system. He's the perfect fit into a no-name defense.

I like what's being built. It seems like the defense is largely going to be made up of 2 excellent and highly paid corners, a stud safety in Taylor (we should pay for him because his range provides a ton of flexibility), but otherwise it will basically be low-cost system guys. That's nice, it saves cap room for your offense.

Schneed10 · 10-04-2005, 09:27 AM

I like Lavar for his big-play ability, but I don't like how he's not very disciplined. He tries to do too much and ends up giving up big plays. He'll make big plays, but he'll also give up big plays. Overall, he's not worth $68 million by a long shot.

Schneed10 · 10-04-2005, 09:41 AM

One last thought (too many posts for me in a row, I'm talking to myself, LOL).

Next season Arrington is due a roster bonus of like $7 million. To me, this makes him very tradeable. To a new team, a $7 million roster bonus could easily be renegotiated into a $7 million signing bonus, an amount many teams would perceive to be a relative bargain for Lavar Arrington. The team would probably be very happy to pay $7 million up front for him and keep the rest of his contract largely intact.

Just have to wonder if Arrington would go for that. If he would demand more of a signing bonus, then it would make him very hard to trade. Teams would probably be wary of shelling out $12-15 million in a signing bonus to him. We could still try to trade him without a renegotiation, but I don't think teams would be willing to take on a $7 million roster bonus without converting it to a signing bonus. A roster bonus would hit the 2006 cap all at once. If it was renegotiated to a signing bonus, the cap hit would be spread out.

Should be interesting how it plays out.

scowan · 10-04-2005, 09:42 AM

The only thing that I wonder about surrounding Lavar is that Gibbs continues to be upset with the Skins turnover ratio and I wonder if Lavar might not be a guy who could cause a game changing hit that leads to a fumble or something and shorten the field for our offense. Our team is playing great defense, but we aren't getting sacks, INTS or Fumbles. I think the skins have only one INT in 3 games. That is really terrible if you think about it. Hopefully the skins will stop the Broncos running game this week an make Plummer throw more, because the more he throws the better off we will be.

irish · 10-04-2005, 09:48 AM

I agree that LA could be that big hit guy that would create a game changing turnover however it seems that the coaching staff is not willing to standby and let LA screw up plays on the chance for 1 big hit.

dblanch66 · 10-04-2005, 11:41 AM

He won't be cut. Whether he wants it or not. No way the F. O. will make the same mistake twice. He'll have to just stay put and deal.

#56fanatic · 10-04-2005, 02:06 PM

The LaVar thing is confusing. The man says he's 100% and ready to go. I love the Redskins,always will, but I just dont see how not playing him is the best thing. Joe was talking about our turnover ratio not being that good. When LaVar is healthy he is a game changer. Sacks,forced fumbles, ints, he can do it all, as well as lead on the field. This guy is the kind of person everyone wants on their team. He is loyal, more loyal than I have seen in a long time. If we lose LaVar next year is will be very disappointing. imagine a healthy LaVar, Marcus Washington, Griffin, Springs, and Taylor on the field at the same time. WOW, thats a lot of playmakers. LaVar would be good for double digit sacks, a few forced fumbles and maybe an INT. He can change games. I believe they are keeping him healthy to trade him in the offseason. But hey, I guess we havn't won with him on the field. I just want to win, but I also want #56 there when we do start winning.

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10-05-2005, 11:55 AM	#2
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Rumors He is getting paid what Danny agreed to pay him. there was no negotiation. If someone wanted to pay you 10 million to pick up trash, would you do it? right! What I was reading earlier, they could take to roster bonus, make it guaranteed money and stretch it over the length of the contract. Making the amount a little smaller per year. We are eventually going to come to this problem with all the big names we have on our team. Portis, will have the same problems in the next couple of years. Springs signed a big deal for a guy 30 years old. Was spings worth a 10 million signing bonus? Is any of these guys "worth" all the money they get paid. What I am saying is, once in a blue moon does a guy with the athletic ability, the on the field and off the field persona of a LaVar Arrington come along. He loves the fans and basically was going to let the 6.5 million dispute go away, but the Players union wouldn't let it. He said last year if Dan Snyder and the Redskins ever decide to let him go or say they wanted to trade him he would retire. He does not want to wear another uniform, he want to be a redskins for LIFE. In todays world of sports, that is a very refreshing statement and one that sticks with me when i hear these guys demaning trades, demanding contract extensions, release me all this crap. LaVar is "THE MAN!!!"

10-04-2005, 08:37 AM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Rumors If his name isn't being called it also means he's not getting abused for big plays. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-04-2005, 09:03 AM	#6
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 375	Re: Rumors "if cut, a signing bonus of more than $11 million would accelerate and count against the 2006 salary cap" Wow, although i gues we take a 9 million cut for coles this year. If we cut him after the season, then finally 2007, our cap could be in really good shape? __________________ Hail to the Redskins.

10-04-2005, 09:11 AM	#7
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 56 Posts: 1,587	Re: Rumors Next year Lavar is slated to make $10,542 so if his release fee is $13,200 then we end up taking a 3 million dollar hit (right?). After the June 1st date, we could spread that out. I would hate to see Lavar go, but financially it is possible. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

10-04-2005, 09:00 AM	#5
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 375	Re: Rumors Wait, if we cut Lavar after this year, doesnt that makes we take a huge cap hit? our salary cap was starting to look pretty good.. finally gettting trotter off this year for the most part (he might still have a little left) __________________ Hail to the Redskins.

10-04-2005, 09:21 AM	#8
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Rumors Arrington would be a big hit to the salary cap in 2006 whether he was on the team or off the team. According to Canuck's cap sheets, he's scheduled to count $12 million against the 2006 cap anyway. If releasing him hits us with a cap hit of $11 million in 2006, then that's actually a $1 million savings. It's hard to know if these numbers are actually right. But one thing's for sure, if we release Arrington in 2006, he's not going to kill the cap like Coles did. He's going to kill our cap whether he's here or not. And if the coaches feel like they're better off with other guys in the lineup, then they might as well cut Arrington loose and clear the cap space for the future.

10-04-2005, 09:25 AM	#9
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Rumors And there is nothing wrong with Warrick Holdman so far. We're ranked 5th in overall defensive yards per game. We've given up an average of 12 points per game. Most importantly, we're 3-0. And as Daseal mentioned, he has not been making mistakes. He's cheap and he plays within the system. He's the perfect fit into a no-name defense. I like what's being built. It seems like the defense is largely going to be made up of 2 excellent and highly paid corners, a stud safety in Taylor (we should pay for him because his range provides a ton of flexibility), but otherwise it will basically be low-cost system guys. That's nice, it saves cap room for your offense.

10-04-2005, 09:27 AM	#10
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Rumors I like Lavar for his big-play ability, but I don't like how he's not very disciplined. He tries to do too much and ends up giving up big plays. He'll make big plays, but he'll also give up big plays. Overall, he's not worth $68 million by a long shot.

10-04-2005, 09:41 AM	#11
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Rumors One last thought (too many posts for me in a row, I'm talking to myself, LOL). Next season Arrington is due a roster bonus of like $7 million. To me, this makes him very tradeable. To a new team, a $7 million roster bonus could easily be renegotiated into a $7 million signing bonus, an amount many teams would perceive to be a relative bargain for Lavar Arrington. The team would probably be very happy to pay $7 million up front for him and keep the rest of his contract largely intact. Just have to wonder if Arrington would go for that. If he would demand more of a signing bonus, then it would make him very hard to trade. Teams would probably be wary of shelling out $12-15 million in a signing bonus to him. We could still try to trade him without a renegotiation, but I don't think teams would be willing to take on a $7 million roster bonus without converting it to a signing bonus. A roster bonus would hit the 2006 cap all at once. If it was renegotiated to a signing bonus, the cap hit would be spread out. Should be interesting how it plays out.

10-04-2005, 09:42 AM	#12
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 56 Posts: 1,559	Re: Rumors The only thing that I wonder about surrounding Lavar is that Gibbs continues to be upset with the Skins turnover ratio and I wonder if Lavar might not be a guy who could cause a game changing hit that leads to a fumble or something and shorten the field for our offense. Our team is playing great defense, but we aren't getting sacks, INTS or Fumbles. I think the skins have only one INT in 3 games. That is really terrible if you think about it. Hopefully the skins will stop the Broncos running game this week an make Plummer throw more, because the more he throws the better off we will be.

10-04-2005, 09:48 AM	#13
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Rumors I agree that LA could be that big hit guy that would create a game changing turnover however it seems that the coaching staff is not willing to standby and let LA screw up plays on the chance for 1 big hit.

10-04-2005, 11:41 AM	#14
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 59 Posts: 1,176	Re: Rumors He won't be cut. Whether he wants it or not. No way the F. O. will make the same mistake twice. He'll have to just stay put and deal.

10-04-2005, 02:06 PM	#15
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Rumors The LaVar thing is confusing. The man says he's 100% and ready to go. I love the Redskins,always will, but I just dont see how not playing him is the best thing. Joe was talking about our turnover ratio not being that good. When LaVar is healthy he is a game changer. Sacks,forced fumbles, ints, he can do it all, as well as lead on the field. This guy is the kind of person everyone wants on their team. He is loyal, more loyal than I have seen in a long time. If we lose LaVar next year is will be very disappointing. imagine a healthy LaVar, Marcus Washington, Griffin, Springs, and Taylor on the field at the same time. WOW, thats a lot of playmakers. LaVar would be good for double digit sacks, a few forced fumbles and maybe an INT. He can change games. I believe they are keeping him healthy to trade him in the offseason. But hey, I guess we havn't won with him on the field. I just want to win, but I also want #56 there when we do start winning.

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