Plusses and Minuses vs. Ravens

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You do love your rhetorical questions and hyperbole.
And for the 1000th time I don't care about the off the field stuff, so it has no bearing on me. I am remain unaffected by the drama.

And obtw Willie Smith prolly won't ever start at LT for us ever again. Even though the way most fans talked about the Lions game, there isn't much of a drop off lol.

Have any opinion about the rest of my comments about the preseason game or just QB/Cousins/Griffin based stuff?

it's not really rhetorical or hyperbole, his career average is 1 sack every 7 attempts, his preseason average this year was 1 sack per 4 attempts. compare that to the other QBs behind the same offensive line, it's not even close.

I'm glad the off field stuff doesn't affect you, but i guarantee the guys actually playing the game are annoyed by it, at least a little bit.

you can keep making excuses for him all you want, but he's sucked for over two years. it's time to be accountable.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 30gut

They have got to find a competent TE in base personnel. I think the lack of success in the 1st unit base personnel runs is because Compton at TE invites teams to sell out run commit or at the very least commit his defender to 100% run. Gotta find a better answer.....or don't run from base personnel/formations?

Good to see the screens game, which was missing in the 1st 2 preseason games. We saw 2 screens in the 1st 2 series 1 WR screen(intercepted) and 1 RB screen against 2nd and long. Even saw some hurry up which is good.

If Kirk was playing as short a stint as Griffin vs the Lions he would have been 3-5 with 1 INT and 1 Fumbles snap.

Kirk took a helacious hit against a blitz on a pass that was broken up which luckily wasn't picked off and almost got Grant sent to the hospital. If it was Griffin throwing that pass he would have crucified, that would have been used in the referendum rhetoric.

Kirk and 1st unit offense didn't cross the 50 yard line til 6 minutes left in the 2nd qtr.
And the 2 minute drill TD drive was against the Ravens 2nd unit defense.

But it was good to see the offense get going eventually.
I like seeing Keenan suplex that WR.
Nice seeing 1st unit defense get a goalline stop even though it was against their 2nd O.

o I saw Reed make an effective block in the 1st qtr....maybe there's hope?

o Grant, Crowder and Jones looked good again

o Colt is the master of the bootleg, even under duress

Dude give it up. For whatever reason, the football people at Redskin Park want to move on from Griffin. They see him up close everyday. You don't. For all of Gruden's faults, he's played the position, as has Matt Cavanaugh. Don't you think they know a capable qb when they see one??? I'm going to trust that they know what they're doing.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Dude give it up. For whatever reason, the football people at Redskin Park want to move on from Griffin. They see him up close everyday. You don't. For all of Gruden's faults, he's played the position, as has Matt Cavanaugh. Don't you think they know a capable qb when they see one??? I'm going to trust that they know what they're doing.

In what way is this a response to my post?

[30gut]

+Preston Smith (pressure lead to pick)
+++Jackson Jeffcoat (interception, pressure-strip sack)
+ Kysheon Jarrett ( interception)

[Chico23231]

Watched the replay today...

Preston smith...I read in camp, practice he struggles but damn he shows up the game.
Ryan grant, crowder and Ross. Our wideout depth is great...I would try to move Roberts. Green Bay, Carolina, etc.
Chris baker and jeffcoat looking good.
To me the bigger controversy should be the starting rb position. Matt jones is better than Alfmo. I saw it camp and I've seen it in preseason game.

Kirk was aight...nothing special but better than rg3.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Watched the replay today...

Preston smith...I read in camp, practice he struggles but damn he shows up the game.
Ryan grant, crowder and Ross. Our wideout depth is great...I would try to move Roberts. Green Bay, Carolina, etc.
Chris baker and jeffcoat looking good.
To me the bigger controversy should be the starting rb position. Matt jones is better than Alfmo. I saw it camp and I've seen it in preseason game.

Kirk was aight...nothing special but better than rg3.

Let's see Jones in the regular season before we crown him. Morris has three years of proven production here. I didn't like the Jones pick at first, but he's winning me over. Just want to see it over a period of time in the regular season.

[over the mountain]

Plusses:

1. TW getting extended. That has to be a huge relief for him and the team. As he said, "you never know when a guy might roll your legs from behind". Im sure it has a positive effect on other players seeing a drafted Skin who has been here for years being rewarded.

2. WR corp looks deep. Desean and pierre plus roberts/grant/crowder as slot with ross as the 6 is a very nice group imo.

3. pressure on QB. i thought it was okay, Joe did a good job of avoiding a few sacks.

4. cousins can run the playbook.

5. we beat the ravens in M&T. harbaugh and boschetti do not like snyder and the skins. i think harbaugh wanted this for may reasons, and he didnt get it.

Minuses:

1. run game was shut down. in the preseason i dont mind running to the right on 4th and 2 to test the young right side .. which seemed to fail.

i am not worried though. callahan should improve the unit over time and we have a good starting 5 imo. depth at tackle scars the hell out of me.

2. run D. i thought up the middle we were stout, but anything outside the A gap found some room. that may be a familiar theme all season.

3. Smith 67 yard TD. horrible angle and over pursuit by amerson then goldson.

4. our LBs havent been tested yet with covering a TE or back and I think that will be our achilles heal all season. has riley played?

[Chico23231]

Another minus...John Harbaugh is a effing dickhead. The yelling at Gruden thing was like "wtf, its preseason. chill" and then the reporter thing at halftime was just unacceptable. What a dick for zero reasons.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Another minus...John Harbaugh is a effing dickhead. The yelling at Gruden thing was like "wtf, its preseason. chill" and then the reporter thing at halftime was just unacceptable. What a dick for zero reasons.

I'm in the middle of watching the game,just saw that with Harbaugh at halftime and wondered if anyone else commented on that.Like you said,what a dick.And thats the Ravens sideline reporter,its not even a hostile reporter.Harbaugh got the dude all flustered.

[DYoungJelly]

This is the bad part:

Defensive film breakdown

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[SirLK26]

Wasn't really a fan of the Smith pick at first, but he's looked good so far in preseason.

I wish PFF's report was more comprehensive, not a lot of info there.

[That Guy]

griffin has looked terrible, and i'm tired of excuses. that was the original point referring specifically to you once again stating that griffin would have been crucified for that throw/hit, pointing out how kirk's stat would have looked at their worst (griffin could have played longer, but, oh yeah, he gets hurt). RGIII is not a victim of cosmic circumstance, he's a player that's having trouble doing the basic things required to be successful.

you should also stop referring to questions as rhetorical when they aren't. that's the 2nd time you've done that in 3 posts. for the record his sack rate is higher than the other QBs this year and last year, he got hit more, he's gotten hurt more. those are all facts, so i'm actually not wrong. 15.4% >> 13.2%, but i was really referring to kirk (3.9%), and i'm sure you know that, but it doesn't fit your narrative as well.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by That Guy

griffin has looked terrible, and i'm tired of excuses. that was the original point referring specifically to you once again stating that griffin would have been crucified for that throw/hit, pointing out how kirk's stat would have looked at their worst (griffin could have played longer, but, oh yeah, he gets hurt). RGIII is not a victim of cosmic circumstance, he's a player that's having trouble doing the basic things required to be successful.

you should also stop referring to questions as rhetorical when they aren't. that's the 2nd time you've done that in 3 posts. for the record his sack rate is higher than the other QBs this year and last year, he got hit more, he's gotten hurt more. those are all facts, so i'm actually not wrong. 15.4% >> 13.2%, but i was really referring to kirk (3.9%), and i'm sure you know that, but it doesn't fit your narrative as well.

I tend to agree more with you on this debate, but, those questions do seem rhetorical. You weren't really asking for the answer, you knew the answer already, you were asking them to make a point. It was part of your rhetoric.

Unless, did you not know the answer to those questions? See, that was not rhetorical because I honestly don't know the answer, so I am asking, not just trying to make a point.

How long are you two going to fight about this anyway? That was a rhetorical question, because I don't want an answer, I'm just making a point.

The more you know . . .

[30gut]

If you had said Griffin has a higher sack rate then Cousins, (which you didn't) I would have agreed and like I told you already that would be very, very old news.

Originally Posted by That Guy

. got hit more, he's gotten hurt more. those are all facts, so i'm actually not wrong. 15.4% >> 13.2%, but i was really referring to kirk (3.9%), and i'm sure you know that, but it doesn't fit your narrative as well.

Lol, how are you gonna quantify Griffin getting hit more? Do you personally chart individual QB hits? Lol. So your 'he got hit more' is not a fact its an opinion.

Lol, oh but you were really referring to Kirk, which you didn't type but i should know but it doesn't fit my narrative? Lol, dude have some accountability for what you type.

This is pretty much what I predicted:

Originally Posted by 30gut

First why don't you start off by discussing something you can actually account for like sacks (as opposed to hits aren't recorded by QB). So again a key point you keep repeating is that the sack rate vs Griffin and the other QBs. But, and I'm sure you'll move the goal post here, but Griffin and Colt have about the same sack rate. So you wrong when it comes to Colt right off the bat.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If you had said Griffin has a higher sack rate then Cousins, (which you didn't) I would have agreed and like I told you already that would be very, very old news.

Lol, how are you gonna quantify Griffin getting hit more? Do you personally chart individual QB hits? Lol. So your 'he got hit more' is not a fact its an opinion.

Lol, oh but you were really referring to Kirk, which you didn't type but i should know but it doesn't fit my narrative? Lol, dude have some accountability for what you type.

This is pretty much what I predicted:

either you're being purposefully obtuse or you need things spelled out.

griffin has issues and we shouldn't be making excuses in his 4th year after seeing what we've seen. that's the point. the hits/sacks/injuries are a symptom of his lack of pocket presence, and used as an example, which you've gone off on a tirade/tangent about, but that's just deflecting from the main point, which you either missed completely or chose to ignore.

why would i be referring to colt when he's not the one starting? and by the way, his sack rate was still lower, so you're still wrong even if you want to go with that convenient colt/bob comparison. if you think 15% difference is "basically the same" i'd love to sell you my car for 15% over what it's actually worth. and congrats on predicting that i'd call you out on trying to make a strawman by using the worst possible comparison and still being wrong. do you want a cookie?

seriously.