Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[BigSKINBauer]

there is no consiparcy, that is rediculous. i have only heard one person question williams in the manner described which is a hell A HELL of a lot less than it was for GIbbs. It is ok to wonder why Lavar isn't in there but i think that lavar is learning and will be in soon, even taylor after missing the offseason didn't start during the preseason but lavar was injured all last year.

what i don't understand is why holdman who has had less time in our defense could be starting. I don't care what anyone says holdman isn't a major player on our D, one could argue he is the least significant player on our D.

If GW wants to keep him out i am not gonna argue, i will be upset if this is lavar's role the whole year, i just don't think he is gonna be a bench warmer the entire season

[TDSkins]

I'd just hate to see LaVar making a greater impact somewhere else and he did not get an opportunity to even make one here.

[jamf]

I actually respect GW more for benching a superstar and saying he needs to get his ass to work.

but the thing that bothers me is, why didnt he have this problem last year? Lavar started early in the year. once he came back he played in a limited role, we assumed the injury limited his role.

Its hard to be critical of GW system. it works. but he needs to be more aggressive or atleast use the stars in a way that allows them to make big plays. taylor has been too quiet, he needs to be on the line more. washington doesnt get enough blitzes and arrington, well....

the defence cant give up big plays and not create any. the taylor hit in the dallas game was the only big play on defence all year.

[TDSkins]

Originally Posted by jamf

the defence cant give up big plays and not create any. the taylor hit in the dallas game was the only big play on defence all year.

Actually he had a great hit on Anderson in the red-zone that sent him flying back. But hits like that can for sure make an impact if it was done at FedEx to get us all PUMPED for more!!!

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by jamf

I actually respect GW more for benching a superstar and saying he needs to get his ass to work.

but the thing that bothers me is, why didnt he have this problem last year? Lavar started early in the year. once he came back he played in a limited role, we assumed the injury limited his role.

Its hard to be critical of GW system. it works. but he needs to be more aggressive or atleast use the stars in a way that allows them to make big plays. taylor has been too quiet, he needs to be on the line more. washington doesnt get enough blitzes and arrington, well....

the defence cant give up big plays and not create any. the taylor hit in the dallas game was the only big play on defence all year.

I don't think GW wants to use Lavar in the same way that we have become accustomed to knowing him. (Pass rusher). GW likes to send CB's who are faster than most LB's. I could understand why we didn't blitz in yesterday's game. GW watched Plummer struggle to throw against our defense and wanted Denver to resort to their ground attack which worked in their favor. Lavar has to keep his emotions in check which has been noticed by several people at Redskins park who said he and Coach Gibbs were in an heated argument. It doesn't look good. Greg Williams's philosophy in this case is right and just for this team which lacked discipline for many years. Its time for a change and at attitude of the player can help or hurt.

[MTK]

Ugh, this is seriously turning in to Ramsey/Brunell all over again.

Trust and have faith folks.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ugh, this is seriously turning in to Ramsey/Brunell all over again.

Trust and have faith folks.

I do have faith in Gregg Williams scheme, but it's hard to believe the words that come out of their mouth when the article in the Washington Times today has comments like this:

"But Coach Joe has been trying to set a certain tone since he returned to Washington, and he'll go to any lengths to accomplish his objective. If he has to bench a three-time Pro Bowl linebacker, a $6 million-a-year man, to get his point across, he'll do it."

But yeah, LaVar not playing has everything to do with his on field performance and nothing to do with spite or ego...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I do have faith in Gregg Williams scheme, but it's hard to believe the words that come out of their mouth when the article in the Washington Times today has comments like this:

"But Coach Joe has been trying to set a certain tone since he returned to Washington, and he'll go to any lengths to accomplish his objective. If he has to bench a three-time Pro Bowl linebacker, a $6 million-a-year man, to get his point across, he'll do it."

But yeah, LaVar not playing has everything to do with his on field performance and nothing to do with spite or ego...

Was that a quote from a coach or from a sportwriter? Consider the source.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Was that a quote from a coach or from a sportwriter? Consider the source.

I've heard that comment from several different sources including writers, analysts and one former coach. And this particular writer was actually praising Gibbs for his "I'm the Boss" approach.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I do have faith in Gregg Williams scheme, but it's hard to believe the words that come out of their mouth when the article in the Washington Times today has comments like this:

"But Coach Joe has been trying to set a certain tone since he returned to Washington, and he'll go to any lengths to accomplish his objective. If he has to bench a three-time Pro Bowl linebacker, a $6 million-a-year man, to get his point across, he'll do it."

But yeah, LaVar not playing has everything to do with his on field performance and nothing to do with spite or ego...

What does this have to do with ego or spite??

To me this screams that no individual player is above the goals of the team.

Simple as that.

If this benching had to do with spite or ego, it would be a hollow move, meaning that there would be no solid rationale behind it other than to feed Gibbs' ego. The very sound of that is absolutely ridiculous to me.

Gibbs and co. always have the team's best interests in mind. We may not know the entire story, but we can be sure there are solid reasons why LaVar is riding pine.

If you think otherwise, fine, but that tells me you really don't understand what Gibbs is all about.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What does this have to do with ego or spite??

To me this screams that no individual player is above the goals of the team.

Simple as that.

If this benching had to do with spite or ego, it would be a hollow move, meaning that there would be no solid rationale behind it other than to feed Gibbs' ego. The very sound of that is absolutely ridiculous to me.

Gibbs and co. always have the team's best interests in mind. We may not know the entire story, but we can be sure there are solid reasons why LaVar is riding pine.

If you think otherwise, fine, but that tells me you really don't understand what Gibbs is all about.

How is it not about ego? I agree that part of it is what you said "no individual player is above the goals of the team" but that's just another way of saying "I'm the boss and I can bench you because I don't like your attitude. I don't care who you are". And honestly, if they think LaVar has become so disenchanted that he's not good for the team, fine, trade or release him, but don't feed me lines about his on field production as the reason for him not playing.

You all keep buying their BS because apparently coaches never cover up the truth and everything is just the way they say it is. Why then is Williams using the same reasons why he loved LaVar last year as his reasons for keeping him out of the lineup this year? And those of you who think that performance is the real reason he's not on the field(particularly FRPLG) please explain to me how Holdman has outperformed Arrington, because all I know about Holdman is he does an awesome Invisible Man impression.

[#56fanatic]

You got it!!! I have said this thousands of times. When GW got here he was so pumped up about having LaVar on the field with his defense. How he was going to be a probowler every year. how he was going to make LaVar the greatest LB in the NFL. people seem to forget all that. there are reasons he is not playing that I dont think we will find out. But not for one second do I believe this crap about not conforming to the defense. Like I have said, the man has played in 5 different defensive schemes and went to the probowl in 3 of them. that to me says he adapts very well. and listens to what is being preached.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

You all keep buying their BS because apparently coaches never cover up the truth and everything is just the way they say it is. Why then is Williams using the same reasons why he loved LaVar last year as his reasons for keeping him out of the lineup this year? And those of you who think that performance is the real reason he's not on the field(particularly FRPLG) please explain to me how Holdman has outperformed Arrington, because all I know about Holdman is he does an awesome Invisible Man impression.

Why does everything have to be a big conspiracy or coverup?

I really don't believe there are ulterior motives as to why LaVar isn't playing.

I don't think it has anything to do with Holdman outperforming him as much as it has to do with what Holdman doesn't do (freelance), and what Arrington doesn't do (stay honest to the schemes).

Williams has said that he expects his guys to practice the way they play. If Arrington isn't proving himself in practice, why should he be playing?

This staff has already set this precedent with players like McCants. You either practice the way you play or you don't play on Sundays.

[redskins5044]

just heard lavar on the john thompson show. he said that they arent giving him the practice time to prove himself. i love the way our team plays defense we make tackles and are good v.s. the run. and dont give up the deep ball. but one thing we dont do enough of is get sacks and cause t.o.'s . i will give GW not playing lavar on 1 and 2 down. put on passing downs not to have him in there to rush the qb is mind boogling. we are paying him alot of money to ride the bench and it is not like you can trade him away without taking a big cap hit.the way lavar talks it sounds like they are not telling him what there plan is for him let the man know..also why wasnt this brought up last year by GW about lavar not practicing good and making too many mistakes before he got hurt..he is a playmake on the field and a leader. yes sometimes he makes mistakes on the field...at least give him some oppurntunites to play and make plays let him more than a couple plays..give him three or four series and see how he does before we push another player out of town and take another cap hit..

[RedskinNation21]

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ugh, this is seriously turning in to Ramsey/Brunell all over again.

There is no comparison right here like Ramsey/Brunell. Holdman is nowhere close to the caliber player as LaVar. When GW came in last year he made a point in saying he was moving LaVar back to Weak side LB so he could freelance and make big plays. Now all of a sudden he doesn't want that. What has Holdman done that has saved a game. I did see him out of position when Tatum broke that second run. LaVar would have broke those blocks and he would have been stopped and WE WIN! Nobody can tell me that Holdman or Clemons can be trusted more. Weakside LB is not like Middle or Strongside. If LaVar was in the middle, I could totally understand where GW is coming from. If nobody remembers, but Warrick was picked up this last offseason and LaVar has been learning this system as long as anyone else so I dont buy that they can't trust him. We need LA and thats it. Please dont compare it to Brunell/Ramsey....