Trouble in Redskins Park?

[rocnrik]

I enjoyed the Redskins years ago more because I did not know all the things behind the scene so to speak..the 24-7 365 days of the NFL channel and the onslaught of Redskin media not missing any detail actually takes away from the experience. I remember when the Washington post or Washington Star and Ken Beatrice On radio was all you got ..you had 3 channels to choose from CBS,NBC and ABC monday night football !! Jack Kent Cooke was like a mystery man and the players never said much to media..it was way more simple then and in many ways more fun to be a fan..I really don't care to know what type of person Dan Snyder is because if I don't like him it hurts the fan side of me..Whats funny is how hard core some people are about there feelings towards Owner(s) and yet if team wins all is forgotten..that to me is selfish in and of itself. Winning cures all I guess. Truth is I like coming to these sites and really like this forum but sometimes it seems like everybody hates the very thing they claim to love..For me I will let Snyder run his team however and I am gonna pull for the Team and try to ignore all the behind the scene crap that can ruin it for me.

[JPPT1974]

Just hope that they can get a GM. That does not have anymore personal problems. As well as that person can know what they are doing. As well as relate to both players, coaches, and fans!

[Schneed10]

There's no amount of F'ing up that the team could, and they've done A LOT, that could make me turn away from them. I see being a Skins fan as an indelible part of who I am. I couldn't stop rooting for them if I tried. I could declare myself a Packer fan, and week one tune my Sunday Ticket to their games instead, and swear not to look at the Skins game. But I know as soon as I saw a score come across:

PHI 3 WAS 10 2nd QTR 7:35 remaining
R Kelley 9 carries, 39 yds, 1 TD

My heart will pull me back and I'll change the channel.

If you went through that scenario and didn't flip back to the Redskins, then you were never a fan in the first place. It runs too deep.

Most reading this will get it.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

There's no amount of F'ing up that the team could, and they've done A LOT, that could make me turn away from them. I see being a Skins fan as an indelible part of who I am. I couldn't stop rooting for them if I tried. I could declare myself a Packer fan, and week one tune my Sunday Ticket to their games instead, and swear not to look at the Skins game. But I know as soon as I saw a score come across:

PHI 3 WAS 10 2nd QTR 7:35 remaining
R Kelley 9 carries, 39 yds, 1 TD

My heart will pull me back and I'll change the channel.

If you went through that scenario and didn't flip back to the Redskins, then you were never a fan in the first place. It runs too deep.

Most reading this will get it.

Yup. It's like having a secondary family all your life. You've grown up with them, invested with them, shared the good times and the bad times. Even if I wanted to switch to another team, I couldn't.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yup. It's like having a secondary family all your life. You've grown up with them, invested with them, shared the good times and the bad times. Even if I wanted to switch to another team, I couldn't.

This is the definition of a die hard fan.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

There's no amount of F'ing up that the team could, and they've done A LOT, that could make me turn away from them. I see being a Skins fan as an indelible part of who I am. I couldn't stop rooting for them if I tried. I could declare myself a Packer fan, and week one tune my Sunday Ticket to their games instead, and swear not to look at the Skins game. But I know as soon as I saw a score come across:

PHI 3 WAS 10 2nd QTR 7:35 remaining
R Kelley 9 carries, 39 yds, 1 TD

My heart will pull me back and I'll change the channel.

If you went through that scenario and didn't flip back to the Redskins, then you were never a fan in the first place. It runs too deep.

Most reading this will get it.

I also know the second I switch they will be good again, fawkers! =)

[KI Skins Fan]

The Redskins are a DMV institution. I grew up in D.C. and I've been a Redskins fan my entire life. I'm 69 years old and I was already a rabid Redskins fan before Dan Snyder was born. As a kid, I watched the team practice on a crappy field next to D.C. General Hospital. The Redskins are my community's team. I think of Dan Snyder as the temporary custodian of one of our most treasured civic institutions.

To me, the Redskins are the players and the games they play on the football field. I also like the band, the cheerleaders, and my fellow fans. The team executives, ticket office, public relations staff, etc. are little more than a distraction to the games, pageantry, and brotherhood of Redskins football.

Other than moving the team, I can't think of anything Dan Snyder could do to drive me away.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The Redskins are a DMV institution. I grew up in D.C. and I've been a Redskins fan my entire life. I'm 69 years old and I was literally a rabid Redskins fan before Dan Snyder was even born. As a kid, I watched the team practice on a crappy field next to D.C. General Hospital. The Redskins are my community's team. I think of Dan Snyder as the temporary custodian of one of our most treasured civic institutions.

To me, the Redskins are the players and the games they play on the football field. I also like the band, the cheerleaders, and my fellow fans. The team executives, ticket office, public relations staff, etc. are little more than a distraction to the games, pageantry, and brotherhood of Redskins football.

As long as he doesn't move the team, I can't think of anything Dan Snyder could do to drive me away.

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[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The Redskins are a DMV institution. I grew up in D.C. and I've been a Redskins fan my entire life. I'm 69 years old and I was already a rabid Redskins fan before Dan Snyder was born. As a kid, I watched the team practice on a crappy field next to D.C. General Hospital. The Redskins are my community's team. I think of Dan Snyder as the temporary custodian of one of our most treasured civic institutions.

To me, the Redskins are the players and the games they play on the football field. I also like the band, the cheerleaders, and my fellow fans. The team executives, ticket office, public relations staff, etc. are little more than a distraction to the games, pageantry, and brotherhood of Redskins football.

Other than moving the team, I can't think of anything Dan Snyder could do to drive me away.

Couldn't agree more!! Win or lose, excellense or dysfunction, being 3,000 miles away or 20 miles, they will always be my team. I moved to the SF Bay area in 1982 and my loyalty is too all DC teams.

[rocnrik]

There is one major problem with that view..Dan Snyder could move this team easy if he choose to..And yes Somebody else would move into the market but it would not be the Redskins..So to view Snyder As a custodian is somewhat naive. I believe that outside a very few owners Dan Snyder is no worse than most of NFL owners..First of all You can't become wealthy enough to own a NFL team WITHOUT a HUGE EGO. most all owners got rich enough to own a NFL team by doing it there way..so once they own the team why would they change? I dont view Snyder as a bad owner at all..yes the team made mistakes but remember at the time they drafted RGIII Just about everybody thought it was a fantastic move..then his rookie season was fantastic everybody was on board..then the injury (which Shannahan got the blame for and it went downhill fast)..Kirk Cousins deal will go a long way to healing up the bad feelings..BUT remember IF cousins struggles you will have folks saying we should have traded cousins and Snyder was the reason we didn't..Its a no win situation .

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

There is one major problem with that view..Dan Snyder could move this team easy if he choose to..And yes Somebody else would move into the market but it would not be the Redskins..So to view Snyder As a custodian is somewhat naive.

Naive? Hardly. You must have missed the part where I told you that I'm sixty-freakin'-nine years old. A young whipper snapper like you might have a problem if he moves the team but I won't. Hell, I'll probably be dead by the time Snyder gets around to moving the team. So fuck him, I win!

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Naive? Hardly. You must have missed the part where I told you that I'm sixty-freakin'-nine years old. A young whipper snapper like you might have a problem if he moves the team but I won't. Hell, I'll probably be dead by the time Snyder gets around to moving the team. So fuck him, I win!

Thanks for the compliment!! I am not 69 but lets just say I have not missed a single Redskin game since 1968! I'm right behind you in age. My point is simply I don't view Snyder as just a custodian..He is the owner no matter how bad we think he is. I can't seem to wrap my mind around having so much hate for the man who owns the team. Just my view nothing personal .WE both Love the Skins!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

There is one major problem with that view..Dan Snyder could move this team easy if he choose to..And yes Somebody else would move into the market but it would not be the Redskins..So to view Snyder As a custodian is somewhat naive. I believe that outside a very few owners Dan Snyder is no worse than most of NFL owners..First of all You can't become wealthy enough to own a NFL team WITHOUT a HUGE EGO. most all owners got rich enough to own a NFL team by doing it there way..so once they own the team why would they change? I dont view Snyder as a bad owner at all..yes the team made mistakes but remember at the time they drafted RGIII Just about everybody thought it was a fantastic move..then his rookie season was fantastic everybody was on board..then the injury (which Shannahan got the blame for and it went downhill fast)..Kirk Cousins deal will go a long way to healing up the bad feelings..BUT remember IF cousins struggles you will have folks saying we should have traded cousins and Snyder was the reason we didn't..Its a no win situation .

He could, but he wouldn't, for a couple reasons. A. The Redskins are an established franchise with a long history, it'd be like the Packers or Cowboys moving. B. Money is the bottom line, and as long as fans keep giving him their money he would never even think about moving. I agree with Schneed, even though Snyder could own the team for another 40 years he is just a custodian. My final point is also that Snyder grew up a Redskins fan, so the concept of moving this beloved franchise directly conflicts with him being a fan.

[44Deezel]

I was invited to a party a few years to go to watch the Ravens play the Titans in a playoff game. I had zero skin in the game and tried to root for the Ravens, since the party was in Baltimore and everyone there was a Ravens fan. Couldn't do it. Hate the Ravens and started pulling for the Titans.

Point is, anyone can just say they're a fan of another team, but your heart has to be in it. I don't care how bad it gets with the Skins. I could never genuinely root for another team to the point that I would be moved emotionally by anything they did. If anything, I would just stop following the NFL altogether, but I don't see that happening either.

The drama this off-season is nothing to me. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but it hasn't translated into a single loss yet, and I actually like the moved they've made so far. Just need to sign Kirk to a LTD.

[Chico23231]

Read this article now:

Redskins drama: What went wrong in Washington | The MMQB with Peter King

The then-GM met for five hours one night that summer to try and convince owner Dan Snyder and president Bruce Allen that the time had come, and the team needed to move from Robert Griffin III to Kirk Cousins. Soon thereafter, with Cousins installed as starter, and believing he was in for a big year, McCloughan made a second appeal to the team’s top brass.

Let’s extend Cousins now, he told them, so we’re not stuck holding the bag later.


The Cousins negotiation. At the close of training camp in 2015, McCloughan wanted to try and extend Cousins, but there was concern over how that’d go over with Griffin, because some felt the team would still need him at some point. (Whether a fair figure could have been reached with Cousins is open for debate, considering the quarterback’s inconsistent résumé and lack of success at that point.) Finally, that December, McCloughan was given the green light. By then, Cousins’ camp wanted to wait till after the year.

After Cousins’ hot finish, the Skins knew they’d have to franchise Cousins at a $20 million number, which framed negotiations in a place where the team wasn’t willing to go. Talks on a long-term deal got off to a rough start, and then control shifted from McCloughan to team negotiator Eric Schaffer. By the time 2016 was winding down, the GM had been removed completely from decision-making on Cousins.



disturbing tidbit with Cravens:

Su’a Cravens injury. The rookie safety/linebacker injured his biceps on Dec. 11 against the Eagles. Initially, the team believed it was a tear. It wound up being a bruise, the kind players often play through. Cravens missed the following Monday’s game against Carolina, and then the next game in Chicago on Christmas Eve.



By then, his teammates, some of whom had seen him playing ping-pong at the facility, were openly wondering why he wasn’t pushing through the injury. After he missed two games, the team wanted him to get the arm drained in an effort to play in Week 17. Cravens responded by not showing up to the facility for treatment that day, at which point McCloughan decided to call Cravens.

That didn’t go over well with Allen. Some veterans felt like McCloughan was simply trying to uphold the culture that he and Gruden had worked to build, which is seen as a “Seattle” thing (McCloughan worked for the Seahawks from 2011-13) to do—If you see something, say something. But certainly, there’d be some debate in the football world over whether it’s a GM’s place to handle those things. (Cravens sat out the finale.)


Bashaud Breeland’s outburst. At another point in December, the third-year corner—who’d been seen internally as moody following the Josh Norman signing—blew an assignment, and was called by a coach on it. He argued. The coach argued back. Then, Breeland blew another assignment, took his helmet off and sat on a cooler on the sideline. From the perspective of the coaching staff, these sorts of squabbles with players were not uncommon.

But after practice, in the locker room, McCloughan saw Breeland coming out of the shower and bluntly told the third-year corner to come to his office after he was dressed. Word of the confrontation got around, and it led to another squabble in the front office over boundaries.

As was the case with Cravens, some players believed Breeland needed to be shaken and didn’t mind McCloughan doing it. Clearly, others within the organization didn’t think it was his place.