Bruce Out??

[mooby]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Bruce is a bad GM, but i honestly do think he has the ability and personality to deal with politicians to get a stadium deal done. If he’s in some role where that his is one and only job, then good - it will free up the new president and GM to focus entirely on the football side of operations.


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+1

I have nothing against Bruce Allen the schmoozing politician who runs business affairs.

My only concern would be potential candidates not wanting to come here if he even works in the building.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mooby

+1

I have nothing against Bruce Allen the schmoozing politician who runs business affairs.

My only concern would be potential candidates not wanting to come here if he even works in the building.

If he stays, Allen will meddle in football operations and make every effort to undermine his "rivals" on the football side. He can't help it. That's who he is. He loves palace intrigue. So does Snyder. He must go.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I understand that sentiment, but the idea that nothing will change if Bruce isn’t completely gone is kind of irrational. There are A LOT of things to hate about Bruce Allen, we can all agree on that. But just because someone sucks at running an entire company doesn’t mean they suck at literally everything and are not qualified to do anything.

Bruce is a bad GM, but i honestly do think he has the ability and personality to deal with politicians to get a stadium deal done. If he’s in some role where that his is one and only job, then good - it will free up the new president and GM to focus entirely on the football side of operations.


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I've been involved in enough businesses to know it is not irrational to fire a a failed executive rather than to reassign him. Bruce, as President was responsible for the culture of the organization. If a cultural change is desired, then he must go or the current culture will persist instead of being repudiated.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I've been involved in enough businesses to know it is not irrational to fire a a failed executive rather than to reassign him. Bruce, as President was responsible for the culture of the organization. If a cultural change is desired, then he must go or the current culture will persist instead of being repudiated.

You seem to have misread my comment.

I didn’t say that it would be irrational to fire him. I said it was irrational to think nothing would change unless we fired him.

You, and other misguided people, are asserting that this is an “all or nothing” proposition, when that is a black and white fallacy. It might be the only option that will make YOU happy, but it is not the only option that will result in dramatic improvement or a culture change.


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[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I've been involved in enough businesses to know it is not irrational to fire a a failed executive rather than to reassign him. Bruce, as President was responsible for the culture of the organization. If a cultural change is desired, then he must go or the current culture will persist instead of being repudiated.

You don't want that snake slithering around the building in any capacity after he is removed from football operations. Leaving him around poses too many risks. We aren't talking about a high character human being who is loved by all, we are talking about Bruce Allen.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I understand that sentiment, but the idea that nothing will change if Bruce isn’t completely gone is kind of irrational. There are A LOT of things to hate about Bruce Allen, we can all agree on that. But just because someone sucks at running an entire company doesn’t mean they suck at literally everything and are not qualified to do anything.

Bruce is a bad GM, but i honestly do think he has the ability and personality to deal with politicians to get a stadium deal done. If he’s in some role where that his is one and only job, then good - it will free up the new president and GM to focus entirely on the football side of operations.


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I do not see stadium builder in BA’s resume. How many stadiums did he help his former teams build? Teams that needed new stadiums.
I see a polarizing insecure man who has ridden his daddy’s coat tails for to long. The only way the Redskins get a new stadium is turning around their tarnished image. Not exactly Allen’s strength. Sentiment in DC area for tax payer help to build a new stadium for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen’s Redskins will not go far at this time. Dan has to distance himself from BA.
Add the lease at the current Stadium is through 2027. He is going to be with the Redksins until then? I hope not.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I do not see stadium builder in BA’s resume. How many stadiums did he help his former teams build?

I see a polarizing insecure man who has ridden his daddy’s coat tails for to long. The only way the Redskins get a new stadium is turning around their tarnished image. Not exactly Allen’s strength. Sentiment in DC area for tax payer help to build a new stadium for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen’s Redskins will not go far at this time. Dan has to distance himself from BA.

Add the lease at the current Stadium is through 2027. He is going to be with the Redksins until then? I hope not.

Good grief. Stadiums don’t get built very often. I don’t think there are ANY NFL execs out there have negotiated new stadium deals who are not currently employed. So a person with the resume you cite does not exist.

Bruce knows all the parties involved and, supposedly, has a very good reputation with DC politicians. He’s someone they know and have worked with for years. Unless it’s determined that BRUCE is the reason a stadium deal hasn’t gotten done yet, then it doesn’t make sense to remove him and bring in someone new when he’s neck deep in things, especially if all the parties involved have good relationships. To do so would be like drafting a rookie QB and forcing him on a head coach in a year he must win or be fired. It’s doomed for failure.

As far as how long Bruce would stay on working on the stadium deal - as long as necessary until the deal is done. If he’s not involved in football operations, then it doesn’t matter at all. He’ll have the same impact on the football side of things if the stadium deal takes 1 year or 10 - ZERO.

Sadly, it seems that many here are allowing their emotions and desire to see allens head on a stick to could rational thought.

I will only be alarmed if, after the new organization structure is announced, Bruce has people in Football Ops (executive Team president, GM, or HC) reporting to him.

My guess based on reports out there is that we’ll have someone from the outside (not beholden to bruce) coming in to be the the top executive. Bruce may report to him directly and be focused only on the stadium deal. Then maybe Schaffer or Smith is promoted to GM. It’s a good separation of future with Bruce having no influence in football stuff.



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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I do not see stadium builder in BA’s resume. How many stadiums did he help his former teams build? Teams that needed new stadiums.
I see a polarizing insecure man who has ridden his daddy’s coat tails for to long. The only way the Redskins get a new stadium is turning around their tarnished image. Not exactly Allen’s strength. Sentiment in DC area for tax payer help to build a new stadium for Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen’s Redskins will not go far at this time. Dan has to distance himself from BA.
Add the lease at the current Stadium is through 2027. He is going to be with the Redksins until then? I hope not.

This

The fact Bruce has engaged in multiple power struggles as well as character smear folks on the way out shows he isn’t a good person and lacks discipline needed to guide an org. This goes beyond his basic failures at his job.

The only way is if Bruce is gone period. Reassignment would be the Redskins still doing Redskins things.

[skinsfaninok]

Hire lou riddick

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Hire lou riddick

Please noooooo

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Please noooooo

Agreed. Riddick has no experience and seems like someone who would just be a “yes man” to Snyder. No thanks. We need a strong executive with enough credibility to keep Snyder at bay.


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[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Please noooooo

Agreed. I don't want Riddick here, no way.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Agreed. I don't want Riddick here, no way.

I would have no issues with Riddick. He is well respected and can rebuild burned bridges.

[SolidSnake84]

Really bizarre that ANY other NFL franchise would be looking at bringing Allen in any capacity. I can't believe it.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Really bizarre that ANY other NFL franchise would be looking at bringing Allen in any capacity. I can't believe it.

Yeah i don’t believe that story. I would guess the skins (or Allen himself) put that out there in advance of his “resignation” or role change to drum up some interest in some kind or role elsewhere in the league.


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