Play Calling

[sniks]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

The Raiders are definately a better team than their record suggests. Like us, they have lost a lot of close games.

That said, we should have won that game.

bottom line we are what we are 5-6 and sinking fast.The eagles could tie us and they lost arguabley the best reciever and qb in the game.We are just pitiful.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by sniks

bottom line we are what we are 5-6 and sinking fast.The eagles could tie us and they lost arguabley the best reciever and qb in the game.We are just pitiful.

We've been sinking because our record was a lot better than we deserved. We were and are a .500 team. (Yes I know we are under .500 right now.)

[sniks]

I know ramseyfan just totaly frustrated with the fourth quarter play.Cant seem to hold it together on either side of the ball.Last 3 games should have won.But like i said earlier we r what we r.

[SUNRA]

Check this out. We pick off Brees at their 30yd line with about 50 seconds left in the game. Portis finally gets 9 yds on one run. Wait a minute, penalty. A 10yd penalty puts the ball at the 40yd. line. Do we throw the ball or just let Portis carry this team on his shoulders since he dropped the team last week ? Yes, Portis runs no gain. He runs again. Third down, no one is open and Brunell runs out of bounds. Why Gibbs why? Why Don Breaux why? Why give the ball away to the third team to beat us on a raggedy fourth quarter decision?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Check this out. We pick off Brees at their 30yd line with about 50 seconds left in the game. Portis finally gets 9 yds on one run. Wait a minute, penalty. A 10yd penalty puts the ball at the 40yd. line. Do we throw the ball or just let Portis carry this team on his shoulders since he dropped the team last week ? Yes, Portis runs no gain. He runs again. Third down, no one is open and Brunell runs out of bounds. Why Gibbs why? Why Don Breaux why? Why give the ball away to the third team to beat us on a raggedy fourth quarter decision?

Neither the running or passing game were sharp in the 2nd half. With enough time on the clock for San Diego to go score, Portis ran the ball in order to run the clock down and hopefully get yardage. Those were good calls in my book. Then, on 3rd and long, we try to pass the ball to get into field goal range. Another good call.

So, my question is, what exactly was wrong with those calls?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Neither the running or passing game were sharp in the 2nd half. With enough time on the clock for San Diego to go score, Portis ran the ball in order to run the clock down and hopefully get yardage. Those were good calls in my book. Then, on 3rd and long, we try to pass the ball to get into field goal range. Another good call.

So, my question is, what exactly was wrong with those calls?

1-10-SD31 (1:04) C.Portis to SD 25 for 6 yards (B.Jue, D.Florence).
2-4-SD25 (:55) C.Portis right end to SD 25 for no gain (L.Castillo).
PENALTY on WAS-C.Rabach, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 25 - No Play.
2-14-SD35 (:50) C.Portis left end to SD 35 for no gain (R.Godfrey).
3-14-SD35 (:40) M.Brunell pass incomplete to C.Cooley (S.Merriman).
4-14-SD35 (:35) J.Hall 52 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-E.Albright, Holder-D.Frost.

From the 35 you are already out of FG range, why are you running the ball instead of running a short pass? No gain leads to 3rd and long which plays right into the defenses hands.. On 2nd and 4 from the 25 why not throw a quick slant to Moss or Jacobs or a quick out to Cooley? Get the 1st, get a few more yds.. The mentality of 'playing it safe' is exactly why we have lost the past 3 games.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

1-10-SD31 (1:04) C.Portis to SD 25 for 6 yards (B.Jue, D.Florence).
2-4-SD25 (:55) C.Portis right end to SD 25 for no gain (L.Castillo).
PENALTY on WAS-C.Rabach, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 25 - No Play.
2-14-SD35 (:50) C.Portis left end to SD 35 for no gain (R.Godfrey).
3-14-SD35 (:40) M.Brunell pass incomplete to C.Cooley (S.Merriman).
4-14-SD35 (:35) J.Hall 52 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-E.Albright, Holder-D.Frost.

From the 35 you are already out of FG range, why are you running the ball instead of running a short pass.. No gain leads to 3rd and long which plays right into the defenses hands.. On 2nd and 4 from the 25 why not throw a quick slant to Moss or Jacobs or a quick out to Cooley? Get the 1st, get a few more yds.. The mentality of 'playing it safe' is exactly why we have lost the past 3 games.

I think you should have put the penalty in bold. That was huge. The point of that drive was to control the ball, run the clock down and kick a game-winning field goal. Rabach's hold sort of messed up those plans

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think you should have put the penalty in bold. That was huge. The point of that drive was to control the ball, run the clock down and kick a game-winning field goal. Rabach's hold sort of messed up those plans

I agree, change made in my post, but you reinforced my point.. When that penalty occured, you can't run the ball again on 2nd and 14! You have to adjust your plans to the situation. We hadn't been successful running all day, what was going to change on that play. Conversly, Brunell had a QB rating over 100, was completing the short passes (when Royal wasn't dropping them) and getting protection.. We needed 7-10 yds on 2nd and 14. That would have made the difference on the kick.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

1-10-SD31 (1:04) C.Portis to SD 25 for 6 yards (B.Jue, D.Florence).
2-4-SD25 (:55) C.Portis right end to SD 25 for no gain (L.Castillo).
PENALTY on WAS-C.Rabach, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 25 - No Play.
2-14-SD35 (:50) C.Portis left end to SD 35 for no gain (R.Godfrey).
3-14-SD35 (:40) M.Brunell pass incomplete to C.Cooley (S.Merriman).
4-14-SD35 (:35) J.Hall 52 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-E.Albright, Holder-D.Frost.

From the 35 you are already out of FG range, why are you running the ball instead of running a short pass? No gain leads to 3rd and long which plays right into the defenses hands.. On 2nd and 4 from the 25 why not throw a quick slant to Moss or Jacobs or a quick out to Cooley? Get the 1st, get a few more yds.. The mentality of 'playing it safe' is exactly why we have lost the past 3 games.

Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.

[FirstandTen]

The playing calling was terrible the entire 4th quarter. Gibbs cost us the game.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.

But when you do commit a penalty on 2nd and 4 you DON'T run again on 2nd and 14!! I agree that running the ball is ok when you are well within range, but the 2nd and 14 call was far too conservative.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.

You're correct in your thinking that in that situation you normally would run the ball. However after the run on 1st down and the resulting penalty setting up 2nd & 14 and now out of FG range you have to pass the ball in an effort to gain back the lost yardage and a better position to kick the GW field goal. That was one of those situations where the defense obviously is thinking run because that's the norm. I feel some of us are thinking it may have been best to do the opposite of what the defense expects in that situation.

[skindogger47]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.

How are we so far from being a "good" team? The Seahawks did that against us, are they any good? What about the Bears, who managed one TD against us off of an Antonio Brown fumble? Or the Bucs, who squandered a lead against us? Hell the Broncos couldn't hold a lead against us. They must suck. How are we so far from being good? I feel like it is a play or two every game, which could easily go either way. We are not great, but I'll be damned if we're not good.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Check this out. We pick off Brees at their 30yd line with about 50 seconds left in the game. Portis finally gets 9 yds on one run. Wait a minute, penalty. A 10yd penalty puts the ball at the 40yd. line. Do we throw the ball or just let Portis carry this team on his shoulders since he dropped the team last week ? Yes, Portis runs no gain. He runs again. Third down, no one is open and Brunell runs out of bounds. Why Gibbs why? Why Don Breaux why? Why give the ball away to the third team to beat us on a raggedy fourth quarter decision?

Hey in todays NFL if your kicker cant make a 53 yarder hes not very good. look at the good teams they have a kicker who can boom for 55 or 57. Granted Hall is not 100%, I dont think they should be throwing the ball either, look how they got down there, int on a pass play that shouldn't have been called.

[SUNRA]

Oh great. We made history today. The Giants, Cowboys and Redskins loss today which is the first time that three teams in the same division loss by three points. Who gives a f#$k.