Browns pregame thread

[Number44]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Speaking from experience, a free safety can be coached up on angles and tackling, the real key is the football intelligence and ability to adjust to the offense, get in the right position and cover guys 1:1. No smarts and agility to do that and you're a goner regardless of your pursuit angles.

OTOH after years in college with a top school, he should be better on angles by now already. He was supposed to be a good tackler in college, so what happened when he came here? Just can't step up to the pro's?

I'm inclined to give him some rope like all of them, having had good coaches show faith and not having a preseason. But he has to improve week on week or Davis will likely be be in his slot by week 16.

Sean Davis? He's on the Steelers.

[Chico23231]

How are the Browns 7 points favorite? Lil surprised.

With me, it’s the same all season: Oline and Haskins have to play decent for us to win.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

How are the Browns 7 points favorite? Lil surprised.

Their offense is so much better than ours. Getting Hooper for them was huge. Chubb/Hunt is a formidable 1-2 punch. They also upgraded their oline and Mayfield is focused. I'd be surprised if we cover the 7. Just don't think we have the horses to stay in this one.

[FrenchSkin]

Just watched Bengals @ Browns.

Stopping the run is going to be key, both Chubb and Hunt are legit fast and quite tough to bring down ! We'll have to display disciplined tackling.
Luckily enough our Dline plays the run well, Young has been making nice plays against the run.

Their pass rush is legit too.

[GridIron26]

Seems like the public believe Browns defense will dominate WFT this Sunday. I have Buffalo defense in one of my FFL and I'm looking to pick up another defense just for this Sunday and apparently Browns is one of the top choices for this Sunday.. Really?? I just don't see it.

[SunnySide]

30% 3rd down conversion rate -- we are dead last in the league. We need to improve on that to get into a rythme on offense.

Haskins - slants,/crosses/drags ... call passing plays where it is out in front of Haskins and he can see if the receiver won the route. Hes much more comfortable in up tempo when its quick hits like slants. of course, most of the time the D is playing soft bc we are playing catch up.

Gibson/McKissic - get them the ball in space. They are 4/9 on completions. We released Peterson and went with these guys bc Turner was supposed to work our guys out of the backfield.

TE Thomas - heard a Browns beat reporter say their LB corps is the defensive weak link. Hopefully Thomas is a big part of Sunday's gameplan.

[SunnySide]

The 6'1", 200-pound Troy Apke made a name for himself at the NFLPA game and then again at the NFL Scouting Combine, but we're still talking about a player who was an afterthought on film. Unless he can quickly improve his diagnosing skills and football IQ, he'll just be a track guy in pads.

POSITIVES

—Blew up the combine with a 4.34 in the 40-yard dash, 41-inch vertical jump and 6.56-second three-cone.

—Height, weight, speed prospect teams will hope can develop.

—Doesn't get scared in run support.

—Has ability to match up with tight ends at the line.

—Works like a smaller linebacker against the run and is active.



NEGATIVES

—Inconsistent producer and gets lost in space.

—Lots of missed tackles on tape from poor technique (dipping head).

—Football IQ appears low based on timing, angles and alignment.

—Stiff through transitions and moves more like a sprinter than a safety.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-redskins-pick

Apke was always a project and went higher than expected/deserved bc he ran a 4.34 40.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

The 6'1", 200-pound Troy Apke made a name for himself at the NFLPA game and then again at the NFL Scouting Combine, but we're still talking about a player who was an afterthought on film. Unless he can quickly improve his diagnosing skills and football IQ, he'll just be a track guy in pads.

POSITIVES

—Blew up the combine with a 4.34 in the 40-yard dash, 41-inch vertical jump and 6.56-second three-cone.

—Height, weight, speed prospect teams will hope can develop.

—Doesn't get scared in run support.

—Has ability to match up with tight ends at the line.

—Works like a smaller linebacker against the run and is active.



NEGATIVES

—Inconsistent producer and gets lost in space.

—Lots of missed tackles on tape from poor technique (dipping head).

—Football IQ appears low based on timing, angles and alignment.

—Stiff through transitions and moves more like a sprinter than a safety.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-redskins-pick

Apke was always a project and went higher than expected/deserved bc he ran a 4.34 40.

Speed doesn't do much when you're running after guys on their way to the end zone. Not a good scouting report, hopefully it's not indicative of his future. Time will tell if he was a wasted pick.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by mooby

Speed doesn't do much when you're running after guys on their way to the end zone. Not a good scouting report, hopefully it's not indicative of his future. Time will tell if he was a wasted pick.

Yeah, im fine taking a project guy in the 4th that has measurables like Apke has. But 4th was higher than most had him. Im not sure he will be a starter in this league but he should find a home on STs and be a serviceable back up. not a wasted or lost pick. (but give me a G or C in the 3-5 rounds every time).

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If Jack Conklin is back I take the Browns.

Hubbard vs. Sweat while worrying about their other pass rushers is going to spell a long day for our offense. That’s my key this week. Sweat is the kind of guy that Hubbard has a hard time with. I’m not terrified of their Dline. Our Oline has good practice in front of them each day with our line, but we can’t be 3rd and plus 5 against them and I’m confident we can run on them

this is an interesting matchup overall though.
Their big weapon is Terry McLaurin who will matchup against someone that knows him really well Denzel Ward. Advantage Ward.

The Washington plays call could give us problems. They seem to love crossing routes. Haskins can hit a slant better than anyone, but he makes a lot of rookie type mistakes downfield. We have a penchant for giving those up crossers and slants too easily and those routes expose our personnel flaws. They have a 3rd down back that is pretty good McKissick. He’s a matchup problem for us.

Haskins in many ways is like Baker. Looks fabulous one week throws are off the next. He misses high a lot. They have major line issues and will lineup a guy against Myles that may not be on NFL roster next season. Think about it That alone could Be worth 7 points.

they have started slowly both weeks. They can’t do that this week. Facing Chubb and Hunt with a deficit is lights out for you.

If it weren’t for a few of their dudes on the Dline this could be arguably the worst roster in the NFL and they are getting used to new system as well like we are.

If Conklin is back I’m thinking we are 27-17 winner. And I’m being nice
http://thebrownsboard.com/topic/5839...football-team/

^^ a good info fan post from our neighbors up north. Didnt know they were without Conklin.

[skinsfaninok]

If we can actually take the ball down field and score first it would be nice

[CRedskinsRule]

We win if we don't spot them 17 points

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[MTK]

Browns win but WFT covers

24-20

[SunnySide]

24-17 browns

I wouldnt mind seeing us with a legit 2 min drill at the end of the game to tie or take lead. just to see how the guys respond.

- debbie downer

[Monkeydad]

If you like classic looking uniforms, this week's going to be a great-looking game, aesthetically.

[skinsfaninok]

LOL Nobody picked us to win this one either... I like the underdog role though