Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell...

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..

Ramsey got pleanty of starts sense we had him and we have never been 5-6..

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Ramsey got pleanty of starts sense we had him and we have never been 5-6..

oh yeah what was his record after he took over under gibbs and that makes brunell worse he is a veteran as u said ...so is 5-6 good enough for u..he started good then his arm got tired ..hell i have seen him throw the ball awy on 3rd down in the 4th qtr...

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

oh yeah what was his record after he took over under gibbs and that makes brunell worse he is a veteran as u said ...so is 5-6 good enough for u..he started good then his arm got tired ..hell i have seen him throw the ball awy on 3rd down in the 4th qtr...

5-6 is not good but my point is Ramsey did worse than that.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..

The little things Brunell does is what Ramsey cannot do. For example brunell can scramble, and avoid the sack which has been key throughout the season. Also Brunell knows how to check down and find differet targets something Ramsey has always struggled with. Brunell is a veteran leader. Brunell can improvise on the run and turn a broken play into a first down, where Ramsey would have taken a sack or fired a bomb into the wind. These elements of Brunells game is something that you cannot teach and Ramsey will never be sucessful with out these tools. Take a look at Joey H. and David Carr. Im not saying Brunell is the MVP but hes the best we got right now. To continuely bash Brunell is getting a little old buddy. Your really showing you have no idea what your talking about.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..

How many long passing plays do we have this year of 20 or more yards?

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How many long passing plays do we have this year of 20 or more yards?

dunno but but last week we had 1 and we havent thrown it deep in a few weeks..even brian mitchell said that on sunday after the game throw it up..he is afraid to do that

[FirstandTen]

Patrick Ramsey's Carrier Numbers
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Career 475 854 5545 55.6 6.49 64 33 29 75 74.2

Mark Burnell This Years Numbers
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2005 202 349 2356 57.9 6.75 78 15 5 24 86.8


Those are FACTs..Nuff said

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

dunno but but last week we had 1 and we havent thrown it deep in a few weeks..even brian mitchell said that on sunday after the game throw it up..he is afraid to do that

No he is not affraid he just dosn't throw deep to throw deep and get a pick in double coverage like some QB's do.

[VTSkins897]

i'll wait to see our final record to judge brunell. then we'll play the what-if game on ramsey and brunell for 5 mos or whatever.

[MTK]

The Brunell bashing and blind Ramsey supporting really is getting old, especially since Brunell has played very well this year and has proved that last year was nothing but a fluke.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The Brunell bashing and blind Ramsey supporting really is getting old, especially since Brunell has played very well this year and has proved that last year was nothing but a fluke.

well bashing Ramsey saying what he cant do is getting old too and he hasnt played all that well the botton line is to win not look good...17 points isnt good enough to win

[MTK]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

well bashing Ramsey saying what he cant do is getting old too and he hasnt played all that well the botton line is to win not look good...17 points isnt good enough to win

Are you really trying to pile all the blame on Brunell??

He's not dropping passes or committing penalties in crucial situations.

He's done exactly what a Gibbs QB is supposed to do, manage the game and minimize mistakes.

He's the 5th ranked QB in the NFC right now and he has an excellent TD to INT ratio of 15-5.

He's not entirely to blame for any of the recent offensive struggles.

[MTK]

Right, Brunell is afraid to throw deep, it has nothing to do with the way the defenses are playing us now, keeping the safeties over the top to not allow the deep stuff.

:yeahright

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right, Brunell is afraid to throw deep, it has nothing to do with the way the defenses are playing us now, keeping the safeties over the top to not allow the deep stuff.

:yeahright

well then lets see that great offensive genius mind that i know gibbs has ..i remember gibbs going in at half time and countering anything the defenses were doing ...i havent seen that this time around

[MTK]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

well then lets see that great offensive genius mind that i know gibbs has ..i remember gibbs going in at half time and countering anything the defenses were doing ...i havent seen that this time around

I thought the offensive struggles were Brunell's fault?