Looks like Skins are $10 mil over cap next year, who goes?

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Hall and Harris are no-brainers. Bowen might be as well.

Not to keep responding on this thread

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by amorentz

Not to keep responding on this thread

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.

Hey - at least you aren't quoting yourself yet!

I think he's a decent nickel corner, but I disagree that he can step into fill for Rogers. His tackling is abysmal and he just doesn't seem to be that good (based on his play this season). I think we can upgrade (somewhat - not substantially) for the amount we are paying Harris.

I agree about Hall - he just hasn't recovered. We need to drop at least ONE kickoff in the endzone this season!

Bowen I just haven't seen much this year. I know he was hurt for a bit, but it seems like we could survive without him. Unless, of course, ST ends up in jail.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by amorentz

Not to keep responding on this thread

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.

I have to agree, as much as Harris has been burnt this year as our No. 2 corner, he still is above average nickle back and can match up well with a No. 3 wideout. That being said, you would hope that in case of injury your No. 3 corner could move up to No. 2 without much drop off, but that clearly is not the case with Harris.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by amorentz

Not to keep responding on this thread

but I really think we should keep Harris. I think he is an excellent nickel corner, who has enough starting experience to be a spot starter should Rogers get hurt next year. I just dont know that you can get that much more of an experienced, decent corner for $2.4m. But I definitely agree that something is wrong with Hall and we need to replace him...he just dont look right.

Hall had a nagging leg injury. which I believe is getting better. No way should we cut him. dont you remember all the damn troubles we have had with crappy kickers over the last 10 years. His leg is getting stronger, and appears to be healing. On the 45 yarder he missed last week, It was well long enough. It would have been long enought from over 50+. and his kick offs were getting to the goal line again. When Hall is healthy he is automatic from the 45-47 and in. Good teams have good reliable kickers. We need a HEALTHY John Hall, which it looks like he is getting healthy.

[MTK]

I'm not a fan of Harris being cut because I do think he's a quality nicklel, but his '06 base salary is a hefty $2.75M which has to make one think he could be on the block simply because of that fairly large cap #.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not a fan of Harris being cut because I do think he's a quality nicklel, but his '06 base salary is a hefty $2.75M which has to make one think he could be on the block simply because of that fairly large cap #.

Agreed. That's way too much for Harris.

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Agreed. That's way too much for Harris.

Id like to see how much other veteran nickel corners are making before I say its too much...it actually seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I would want to know who we plan on replacing him with before we cut him without a backup plan. If Ade Jimoh is playing nickelback for us next year I have a friend who is going to have a heart attack...so just let me know so I can take out that life insurance policy

[FRPLG]

I think 112 is high. Looks like it is actually under 110 but we won't know until the end of the year. If the cap ends up at 92 then we need to "trim" 18.
I am thinking they possibly restructure Taylor because his number is a relatively high 4.6 and his subsequent numbers fall much lower. They can restructure that to save a couple mil in '06. Jansen will get extended and his number reduced. Ramsey will be gone. Washignton will get restructure same as Taylor. Somethign will happen with Wynn. I'd guess he is gone. Noble is gone. Daniels is relatively cheap but for what production? He might be gone. Bowen is gone unless he takes a deep pay cut. Soemthing has to be done about Springs. Without doing the real math all of those moves saves about 23 or 24 mil counting release fees and all.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think 112 is high. Looks like it is actually under 110 but we won't know until the end of the year. If the cap ends up at 92 then we need to "trim" 18.
I am thinking they possibly restructure Taylor because his number is a relatively high 4.6 and his subsequent numbers fall much lower. They can restructure that to save a couple mil in '06. Jansen will get extended and his number reduced. Ramsey will be gone. Washignton will get restructure same as Taylor. Somethign will happen with Wynn. I'd guess he is gone. Noble is gone. Daniels is relatively cheap but for what production? He might be gone. Bowen is gone unless he takes a deep pay cut. Soemthing has to be done about Springs. Without doing the real math all of those moves saves about 23 or 24 mil counting release fees and all.

This is the same crap I talk about everyday. Look at all the people that are potential cuts. It is rediculous to build a franchise with constant turnover. It has to happen every year because we do not draft well and have to overpay old people to play in washington. We will have to eventually bite the bullet and let these cap numbers play out. Stop restructuring deals, stop getting free agents like they are GOLD and play younger guys and build from the ground up. Every year we are looking at ways to cut this guy and that guy, or trade this guy to save money. We will be in same boat every single year until we just let guys contracts run out, and drop over paid players and let our young guys play instead of using the extra cap space and get free agents. I dont think its against league rules to have cap space available, is it?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This is the same crap I talk about everyday. Look at all the people that are potential cuts. It is rediculous to build a franchise with constant turnover. It has to happen every year because we do not draft well and have to overpay old people to play in washington. We will have to eventually bite the bullet and let these cap numbers play out. Stop restructuring deals, stop getting free agents like they are GOLD and play younger guys and build from the ground up. Every year we are looking at ways to cut this guy and that guy, or trade this guy to save money. We will be in same boat every single year until we just let guys contracts run out, and drop over paid players and let our young guys play instead of using the extra cap space and get free agents. I dont think its against league rules to have cap space available, is it?

I hear your frustration. But remember a couple of things. Since the free agency era, teams essentially have a 3-5 yr window to put and keep a quality team on the field, and hopefully get to the Superbowl.
This is just normal business in the NFL these days, IMO.

Also, I don't feel we are rebuilding simply because we have to manuever $10 million or so under the cap - there will be no overhauling of this roster this year or next. All and all we'll be fine.

Welcome to the NFL!!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I hear your frustration. But remember a couple of things. Since the free agency era, teams essentially have a 3-5 yr window to put and keep a quality team on the field, and hopefully get to the Superbowl.
This is just normal business in the NFL these days, IMO.

Also, I don't feel we are rebuilding simply because we have to manuever $10 million or so under the cap - there will be no overhauling of this roster this year or next. All and all we'll be fine.

Welcome to the NFL!!

We have been in that window since 1999. Going on 7 years. I would have much rather taken a year or two hit to build for something, rather than building SOMETHING every year. and that something has been mediocore teams every year. Just like last year, and the year before we will have to cut players to get under the cap, then Dan and Joe will go out and overpay somebody to come here. When we should draft a young guy and let them play. I am sick of this plan danny has, we need to start building youth. I say it all the time, Look at NE, Philly, Cincy, Indy, Steelers all these teams that struggles for a couple of years, and now they have a core group that compete every year for the playoffs. We cant even buy a jersey of a player because they leave after 3 years.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This is the same crap I talk about everyday. Look at all the people that are potential cuts. It is rediculous to build a franchise with constant turnover. It has to happen every year because...

no it doesn't happen because of drafting, it happens to everyone (if you draft someone, someone else has to go, which also means turnover). Its the life of free agency, its been 14 years now, please get used to it

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

"Early word is that the official cap number for 2006 will land somewhere between $92 million and $95 million per team, up from $85 million this year and higher than the previously anticipated range of $89 million to $90 million.




Even at $95 million, several teams need to trim more than $20 million in 2006 payroll. The Jets and Raiders each exceed $120 million, and the Broncos have more than $118 million committed to next season.



The Chiefs are at $114 million, and the Redskins are at $112 million."

The above quote is from profootballtalk.com. So, knowing this who goes and who stays? I think Hall goes, Phillip Daniels goes, Taylor Jacobs but who else? Im not a capologist, but there are those on here who are, so who do you guys think is going, restructuring, etc.

I would like to hear from all the people that said we are not in any cap trouble for the next couple of years. what is your fix for this situation?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I would like to hear from all the people that said we are not in any cap trouble for the next couple of years. what is your fix for this situation?

It seems that every year I hear we are going to have cap problems. I think Snyder and company have a working plan that leaves us in decent shape for each year. We will have to wait and see on this one and who knows if they don't reach a deal we may not have a cap at all.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by firstdown

It seems that every year I hear we are going to have cap problems. I think Snyder and company have a working plan that leaves us in decent shape for each year. We will have to wait and see on this one and who knows if they don't reach a deal we may not have a cap at all.

And those plans get us in more trouble over the years. Reworking, restructuring, dropping, paying free agents its all the same thing year in and year out. Yeah we would be in cap trouble if we wouldn;t rework contracts every year. or drop this guy and that guy. Eventually you have to pay the bills, remember the cap hell san fran went through, its the same thing. You can always work your way around it year after year, but eventually you have pay up. When you continue to put it off and put it off, it only gets worse for the later years.