The Offense Was Too Conservative

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Apparently, some people cannot debate intelligently. Instead, they react with pure emotion and no logic. I should have figured that people would attack me personally. Given Wilbon and Kornheiser's articles, which also note the offense's poor performance, I guess we should burn them in effigy.

I understand the thread was ill-timed, but given the offense's performance I thought it would be ignoring the 500 lb. gorilla not to talk about the offense. Isn't this site supposed to discuss things? Perhaps I was wrong?

What's unintelligent about this? It is short, concise and gets the point across completely. My English teachers would think it is perfect! j/k

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I understand the thread was ill-timed, but given the offense's performance I thought it would be ignoring the 500 lb. gorilla not to talk about the offense. Isn't this site supposed to discuss things? Perhaps I was wrong?

Dude, you have no reason to apologize to anybody. In fact, I applaud you for having the jewels to bring this up. Funny thing is if we had lost by a smaller margin (say 3 points), you'd have a lot more people agreeing with you. I just think the reason we were conservative for most of the first half is cuz we had piss poor field position and it was pouring - there was no way Gibbs was going to pass more in that situation.

[cpayne5]

Where was this talk when we're were pounding teams and winning, Ramseyfan?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Where was this talk when we're were pounding teams and winning, Ramseyfan?

We weren't playing the same way. The last two weeks our offense has been playing what was often called, "full flaps offense." I agree. Moreover, we can't play the conservative run-always offense when our best run-blocking guard and star tailback are injured. Back then, it might have worked. With those injuries it wouldn't.

By the way, I was the one who was saying that we were a good team when everyone else had given them up for dead. Remember the "We are better than a .500 team" thread I started?

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

We weren't playing the same way.

If you're saying that the games weren't being coached the same way, you're flat wrong. If you're saying that the players aren't quite executing like they were a few weeks ago, I would agree with that.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

If you're saying that the games weren't being coached the same way, you're flat wrong. If you're saying that the players aren't quite executing like they were a few weeks ago, I would agree with that.

They were being coached the same way. I totally agree. But, as I said earlier, when your best run-blocking guard AND you star tailback are either out or totally banged-up, I think the game-plan should change.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

They were being coached the same way. I totally agree. But, as I said earlier, when your best run-blocking guard AND you star tailback are either out or totally banged-up, I think the game-plan should change.

It's been that way for weeks though.

We are what we are, a smashmouth football team.

If Brunell is dropping back 30-40 times, that's simply not our kind of game and doesn't play to our strengths.

[davy]

Yes the offense has stunk the last 2 weeks, however nothing is ever as simple as fans like to think. Injuries take their toll on even the best of offenses and we have had more than our fair share.

[sniks]

I dont think gibbs is conservative he plays with what he has.Patten hurt ,jacobs doesnt step up, thrash hurt.Need to get another threat at W.R.

[MTK]

It's funny how easy it is to point the finger at the coaches and the playcalling.

It's the age old debate, what's the problem, the playcalling or the execution?

All I know is when we were shoving the ball down people's throats the playcalling wasn't a problem.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Again, I would like to state for the record that Gibbs has done an outstanding job with the team. I would also like to remind people that I was saying that we were a good team when we were losing (so please don't peg me as a hater). I would also like to re-state that our playcalling might have been fine two weeks ago, but when you lose your best run-blocking guard and star tailback, you should re-focus your offense.

[cpayne5]

Hail to the Redskins, Ramseyfan, hail to the Redskins. 11-7, good season. I am happy w/ the season and am gonna end my part of this thread here.

[AnonEmouse]

I agree that we were a bit conservative in the first half. If we'd thrown the ball more...

However, if the OL had been fully fit, if we had a legitimate #2 receiver to pull ofthe double teaming, if we had a fully fit and effective DL, if we had a fully fit secondary, if we had someone who could kickoff into the endzone, if we could pin opponents deep with punts, if we didn't miss crucial FG's... if all that had been true, we'd have won the SB this year.

Fact is if's won't get us anywhere. If we'd thrown the ball more in the first half, maybe we'd have covered the spread, but basically the if's caught up with us today and we just never REALLY looked like winning. Just about everyone said we'd run out of steam and had to play on emotion alone. Sooner or later it catches up with you. To be honest, even if we'd won this one, we'd almost certainly have lost the next one. We are out of energy. Those guys, including the coaches, left everything on the field and I salute them.

I won't have a bad word said about JG, especially on the play calling. Next season with a good offseason program and maybe some fresh linemen on both sides, we are going to be strong. What JG has done in 2 years is amazing to me, especially considering the mess that Turner and Spurrier left us in after so many great years under Gibbs' first reign.

Go Joe, Go Skins and Go Ramseyfan and get drunk. Skins played a great season and gave us more than we expected. Enjoy the memories and look forward to more of the same.

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I agree that we were a bit conservative in the first half. If we'd thrown the ball more...

However, if the OL had been fully fit, if we had a legitimate #2 receiver to pull ofthe double teaming, if we had a fully fit and effective DL, if we had a fully fit secondary, if we had someone who could kickoff into the endzone, if we could pin opponents deep with punts, if we didn't miss crucial FG's... if all that had been true, we'd have won the SB this year.

Fact is if's won't get us anywhere. If we'd thrown the ball more in the first half, maybe we'd have covered the spread, but basically the if's caught up with us today and we just never REALLY looked like winning. Just about everyone said we'd run out of steam and had to play on emotion alone. Sooner or later it catches up with you. To be honest, even if we'd won this one, we'd almost certainly have lost the next one. We are out of energy. Those guys, including the coaches, left everything on the field and I salute them.

I won't have a bad word said about JG, especially on the play calling. Next season with a good offseason program and maybe some fresh linemen on both sides, we are going to be strong. What JG has done in 2 years is amazing to me, especially considering the mess that Turner and Spurrier left us in after so many great years under Gibbs' first reign.

Go Joe, Go Skins and Go Ramseyfan and get drunk. Skins played a great season and gave us more than we expected. Enjoy the memories and look forward to more of the same.

I think you hit it on the head. Everyone looked exausted.
but I'm happy. We've come a long way.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Perhaps I should have waited another day or two to post this thread. I didn't intend to come off as a hater and I should have realized that its timing was poor.