Core group to be competitive-Worst case

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're right, assuming that we're starting from a roster of 53 players. Which would mean we'd have to replace Cooley and White. But we're not, our roster is huge right now because of the chump FAs we signed in January, guys like Lumsden. They're already figured into the salary cap totals being reported by Clayton et al.

it makes sense either way. you either cut cooley who costs 200k or you dump an extra rookie making at LEAST 235k to clear the extra space. the rookie nets you 35k or more extra space than cooley, so it'd still be a negative cut.

[That Guy]

Here's a basic outline that could keep most starters

[That Guy]

k, here's a list for anyone that wants to try it...
copy and paste it between [ code ] [ /code ] tags to keep the formatting.

2006 Salary - Release Fee = Savings.
	Total savings must be > $21million.

Player			2006 Salary	Release Fee
LaVar Arrington		$12,046		$12,846
Chris Samuels 		$10,218		$9,932
Jon Jansen 		$5,603		$4,809
Shawn Springs 		$5,558		$6,833
Clinton Portis 		$5,476		$7,723
Mark Brunell 		$5,433		$5,733
Marcus Washington 	$5,167		$4,677
Randy Thomas 		$4,912		$5,648
Cornelius Griffin 	$4,883		$5,533
Sean Taylor 		$4,690		$8,380
Santana Moss 		$4,260		$9,400
Renaldo Wynn 		$3,453		$3,057
Patrick Ramsey 		$2,882		$1,194
Casey Rabach 		$3,145		$2,000
Walt Harris 		$2,750		$750
Brandon Noble 		$2,630		$930
Phillip Daniels 	$2,600		$1,800
David Patten 		$2,447		$1,800
Matt Bowen 		$2,400		$400
Carlos Rogers 		$2,297		$9,104
John Hall 		$1,820		$640
Jason Campbell 		$1,341		$4,122
James Thrash 		$1,125		$250
Cory Raymer 		$1,118		$133
Tom Tupa 		$939		$338
Pierson Prioleau 	$850		$300
Taylor Jacobs 		$841		$724
Joe Salave'a 		$837		$333
Ladell Betts 		$810		$265
Lemar Marshall 		$759		$363
Mike Sellers 		$595		$100
Derrick Dockery 	$581		$121
Chris Cooley 		$549		$328
Karon Riley 		$460		
Ethan Albright 		$485		$25
Derrick Frost 		$460		
Antonio Brown 		$460		
Jimmy Farris 		$460		
Manuel White Jr. 	$416		$319
Jim Molinaro 		$409		$24
Ryan Boschetti 		$385		
Jashon Sykes 		$385		
Kerry Carter 		$385		
Ron Johnson 		$385		
Curry Burns 		$385		
Nehemiah Broughton 	$324		$28
James Bethea 		$310		
Nic Clemons 		$310		
Robert McCune 		$310		
Robert Johnson 		$310		
Christian Morton 	$310		
Ikechuku Ndukwe 	$310		
Dimitri Patterson 	$310		
Ataveus Cash 		$310		
LaShaun Ward 		$310		
Richard Smith 		$310		
Casey Bramlet 		$310		
Jim Jones 		$310		
Aki Jones 		$310		
Sean Guthrie 		$235		
Jonta Woodard 		$235		
Tyler Jones 		$235		
Aric Williams 		$235		
Steven Harris 		$235		
Jonathan Alston 	$235		
Calen Powell 		$235		
Jesse Lumsden 		$235		
Jonathan Combs 		$235		
Nick McNeil 		$235

bleh, i'll calculate savings and repost in a second to save other people trying this time.

[That Guy]

k, here's the new improved list. anyone whose release results in under 235k savings is untouchable, since it'd cost more to get to X number of warm bodies without them on the roster. I believe you only need 40 guys on the roster right now, but after everything is said and done (draft, FA, undrafted rookies), the skins need 53 guys total at a minimum of 235k each.


I think the practice squad doesn't count against the cap (it has set salaries) so 8 1st or 2nd year guys can still be stashed there if you feel like naming them, but it won't really help the cap problem (shoving 310k guys there instead of 235k guys saves a bit, but the downside is the 310k guys can't actually help your team from the PS)

	Total savings must be > $21million.

Player			2006 Savings
Walt Harris 		$2,000
Matt Bowen 		$2,000
Brandon Noble 		$1,700
Patrick Ramsey 		$1,688
John Hall 		$1,180
Casey Rabach 		$1,145
Cory Raymer 		$985
James Thrash 		$875
Phillip Daniels 	$800
Jon Jansen 		$794
David Patten 		$647
Tom Tupa 		$601
Pierson Prioleau 	$550
Ladell Betts 		$545
Joe Salave'a 		$504
Mike Sellers 		$495
Marcus Washington 	$490
Derrick Dockery 	$460
Karon Riley 		$460 (445)
Ethan Albright 		$460 (445)
Derrick Frost 		$460 (445)
Antonio Brown 		$460 (445)
Jimmy Farris 		$460 (445)
Renaldo Wynn 		$396
Lemar Marshall 		$396
Jim Molinaro 		$385
Ryan Boschetti 		$385
Jashon Sykes 		$385
Kerry Carter 		$385
Ron Johnson 		$385
Curry Burns 		$385
James Bethea 		$310
Nic Clemons 		$310
Robert McCune 		$310
Robert Johnson 		$310
Christian Morton 	$310
Ikechuku Ndukwe 	$310
Dimitri Patterson 	$310
Ataveus Cash 		$310
LaShaun Ward 		$310
Richard Smith 		$310
Casey Bramlet 		$310
Jim Jones 		$310
Aki Jones 		$310
Nehemiah Broughton 	$296
Chris Samuels 		$286
Sean Guthrie 		$235
Jonta Woodard 		$235
Tyler Jones 		$235
Aric Williams 		$235
Steven Harris 		$235
Jonathan Alston 	$235
Calen Powell 		$235
Jesse Lumsden 		$235
Jonathan Combs 		$235
Nick McNeil 		$235


Untouchables:
Chris Cooley 		$221
Taylor Jacobs 		$117
Manuel White Jr. 	$97

Mark Brunell 		$-300
Cornelius Griffin 	$-650
Randy Thomas 		$-736
LaVar Arrington		$-840
Shawn Springs 		$-1,275
Clinton Portis 		$-2,247
Jason Campbell 		$-2,781
Sean Taylor 		$-3,690
Santana Moss 		$-5,140
Carlos Rogers 		$-6,807

Info gathered from:
Salary cap numbers

[MTK]

Tomorrow is going to be really ugly

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Tomorrow is going to be really ugly

Just stare at this and let your problems drift away...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

This about sums up the CBA talks.

[That Guy]

hey, here's a problem... there's 13 uncuttable players. releasing everyone (EVERYONE) saves about 29,823k. Signing 40 players to complete the roster at 235k each costs 9,400k.

29,823k - 9,400k = 20,423k total savings with 40 1st year rookies.

Not to alarm anyone, but here's our cap situation:
2006 total cap cost (dead money + 2006 salaries) - $116,793k
2006 cap - $95,000k

116,793k - 95,000k = 21,793k.

since we can save a maximum of 20.4mill and we need to cut 21.8mill, this is a fool's erand. with restructures it simply can't be done.

40 rookies and we'll still be 1.4mill in the hole... we're totally hosed.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

hey, here's a problem... there's 13 uncuttable players. releasing everyone (EVERYONE) saves about 29,823k. Signing 40 players to complete the roster at 235k each costs 9,400k.

29,823k - 9,400k = 20,423k total savings with 40 1st year rookies.

Not to alarm anyone, but here's our cap situation:
2006 total cap cost (dead money + 2006 salaries) - $116,793k
2006 cap - $95,000k

116,793k - 95,000k = 21,793k.

since we can save a maximum of 20.4mill and we need to cut 21.8mill, this is a fool's erand. with restructures it simply can't be done.

Yep. We're going to lose at least a couple very valuable Redskins in the next few days. Prepare yourselves to shed some tears.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yep. We're going to lose at least a couple very valuable Redskins in the next few days. Prepare yourselves to shed some tears.

some? we're going to lose all but 13, and even then there's not enough sasvings to be under the cap.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

some? we're going to lose all but 13, and even then there's not enough sasvings to be under the cap.

That's assuming NOBODY restructures.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

With the CBA mess going on and the rumors that we may have as many as 20 rookies on the roster to get under the cap (which seems absolutely ridiculous to me), who are the players that we HAVE to keep around in order to at least compete in '06? My list (without doing cap calculations, someone smarter than me can tell me if it works) is:
QB-Brunell, Campbell
RB-Portis, Nemo
FB/HB-Cooley, Sellers
TE-?
LT-Samuels
LG-Wilson
C-Rabach
RG-Thomas
RT-Jansen
WR-Moss, Patten
P-Frost
K-?
DE-Daniels
DT-Griffin
DT-Saleva'a
DE-Evans
LB-Clemons
LB-Marshall
LB-Washington
CB-Springs
FS-Taylor
SS-Stoutmire
CB-Rogers
PR/KR-Brown

That's 25 players and with a 45 man roster that assumes the rest would be rookies.. That leaves us with NO veteran depth.. Additions/subtractions/other options?

Is cutting Burnell a better thing for the cap and keeping Ramsey? If so it seems like a better idea so maybe we could keep others!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Is cutting Burnell a better thing for the cap and keeping Ramsey? If so it seems like a better idea so maybe we could keep others!

sixteenth time, no, cutting brunell costs 300k more than keeping him and keeping ramsey costs almost 1.7mill more than dumping him. if we got a new CBA then it'd be flipped. but right now we don't, so that's nto an option.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

sixteenth time, no, cutting brunell costs 300k more than keeping him and keeping ramsey costs almost 1.7mill more than dumping him. if we got a new CBA then it'd be flipped. but right now we don't, so that's nto an option.

But we should cut Brunell right?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But we should cut Brunell right?

I'm sure it was part of Lord Gibbs evil master plan to rid the Redskins of Ramsey by structuring the deal that way since he knew the CBA wouldn't be extended.. (insert maniacal laughter and a Monty Burns-esque 'Excellent' here)