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backrow · 06-30-2004, 10:35 PM

Crazy Canuck! Maybe you can help with a question. Will the Redskins have to pay Samuels salary if we trade him? Or, if there is a straight up trade for Ogun, are we then no longer obligated for Samuels Signing bonus and salary?

Then, are we not also obligated to take care of Ogun if we get him, like we did Brunnell?

This is a complex issue!

I'm not advocating a trade, just wondering what the ramifications are.

We need you Crazy Canuck, Mr. Capologist!

Skinzfan_26 · 07-02-2004, 04:03 PM

Ive seen this same rumor on other redskins sites /ive also bin to a dolphins site that says the same thing

Gmanc711 · 06-30-2004, 11:20 PM

I think that, we have to pay Samuels, along with the Salary cap hit, for the up-coming season.

HOWEVER, it would be this season, and thats it forever. Where as we cut him, he still counts against the cap for years.

MTK · 06-30-2004, 11:31 PM

If we trade him or cut him his remaining signing bonus accelerates and all becomes due, or the cap hit as we know it. Perhaps CC can fill us in with the details.

MTK · 06-30-2004, 11:33 PM

while we wait for CC to chime in, I've always liked this resource for cap info

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

diehardskin2982 · 07-01-2004, 03:01 AM

thats a stupid trade, Samuels is a beast ogi is gets sacks because of taylor period. I be the first to send a angry letter to Snyder and crew personally

huntz · 07-01-2004, 03:59 AM

I can see a deal involving draft picks but that's it. And Miami isn't dealing now with six weeks left till camp. Plus, if they do want to trade this guy, they'll make it known and try to get the best possible deal from everyone. Soooo, why deal him now?

SKINSnCANES · 07-02-2004, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

thats a stupid trade, Samuels is a beast ogi is gets sacks because of taylor period. I be the first to send a angry letter to Snyder and crew personally

Why does everyone say that he gets his sacks just because of Taylor. What are you guys thinking when you say that. How many sacks did the guy playing opposite of Kearse, Peppers, Strahan, etc have last year?!?! Playing opposite a beast end doesnt mean you lead the league in sacks does it, becaues Adewale did lead the AFC in sacks. Anyone that gets 15 sacks is a good player. Do you really think that Jason Taylor was gettign double teamed every play with Adewale playing the way he was...I highly doubt that, expevcially since he was getting more sacks that Taylor.

Riggo44 · 07-01-2004, 07:22 PM

That would make me pissed of. I don't see it happening.

That Guy · 07-02-2004, 04:27 PM

i think we'd see more if a trade were going to happen... so i'd say its going nowhere, and i kinda doubt gibbs would give up a decent Olinemen. Whether it'd be a good trade or not i can't really say.

Big C · 07-02-2004, 04:34 PM

Samuels is not merely a decent Olineman. He has been dominant in the past, hes young (27 i believe), 2 pro bowls. Hes had 2 down years in crappy protection schemes, give the guy more credit.

Big C · 07-02-2004, 07:28 PM

that is a valid point, but personally, i would rather stick with samuels and stick with the d linemen we have

SKINSnCANES · 07-02-2004, 07:34 PM

I wanst talking about whether or not it would be a good trade, just that everyone is underestimating his abilities. We probably sholdnt trade any players at this point, but id give up picks for him in a heartbeat

Skinzfan_26 · 07-02-2004, 09:32 PM

i dont see how taylor playing three spots away could affect him to the point were he had 15 sacks

Big C · 07-02-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I wanst talking about whether or not it would be a good trade, just that everyone is underestimating his abilities. We probably sholdnt trade any players at this point, but id give up picks for him in a heartbeat

I never said thats what u sed, i said that was a valid point. take it easy there

06-30-2004, 10:35 PM	#1
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	Cap Issue and Trade Crazy Canuck! Maybe you can help with a question. Will the Redskins have to pay Samuels salary if we trade him? Or, if there is a straight up trade for Ogun, are we then no longer obligated for Samuels Signing bonus and salary? Then, are we not also obligated to take care of Ogun if we get him, like we did Brunnell? This is a complex issue! I'm not advocating a trade, just wondering what the ramifications are. We need you Crazy Canuck, Mr. Capologist! __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

07-01-2004, 07:22 PM	#9
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	That would make me pissed of. I don't see it happening. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

07-02-2004, 07:34 PM	#13
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	I wanst talking about whether or not it would be a good trade, just that everyone is underestimating his abilities. We probably sholdnt trade any players at this point, but id give up picks for him in a heartbeat __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

07-02-2004, 04:03 PM	#2
Skinzfan_26 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8	Ive seen this same rumor on other redskins sites /ive also bin to a dolphins site that says the same thing

06-30-2004, 11:20 PM	#3
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I think that, we have to pay Samuels, along with the Salary cap hit, for the up-coming season. HOWEVER, it would be this season, and thats it forever. Where as we cut him, he still counts against the cap for years.

06-30-2004, 11:31 PM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	If we trade him or cut him his remaining signing bonus accelerates and all becomes due, or the cap hit as we know it. Perhaps CC can fill us in with the details.

06-30-2004, 11:33 PM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	while we wait for CC to chime in, I've always liked this resource for cap info http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

07-01-2004, 03:01 AM	#6
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	thats a stupid trade, Samuels is a beast ogi is gets sacks because of taylor period. I be the first to send a angry letter to Snyder and crew personally

07-01-2004, 03:59 AM	#7
huntz Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 68 Posts: 311	I can see a deal involving draft picks but that's it. And Miami isn't dealing now with six weeks left till camp. Plus, if they do want to trade this guy, they'll make it known and try to get the best possible deal from everyone. Soooo, why deal him now?

07-02-2004, 04:27 PM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	i think we'd see more if a trade were going to happen... so i'd say its going nowhere, and i kinda doubt gibbs would give up a decent Olinemen. Whether it'd be a good trade or not i can't really say.

07-02-2004, 04:34 PM	#11
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Samuels is not merely a decent Olineman. He has been dominant in the past, hes young (27 i believe), 2 pro bowls. Hes had 2 down years in crappy protection schemes, give the guy more credit.

07-02-2004, 07:28 PM	#12
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	that is a valid point, but personally, i would rather stick with samuels and stick with the d linemen we have

07-02-2004, 09:32 PM	#14
Skinzfan_26 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 8	i dont see how taylor playing three spots away could affect him to the point were he had 15 sacks

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