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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
I wonder how many Wr's in the HOF played with HOF QB's? That may also shed some light on their success compartiably to Monk. Jerry Rice played with 2, Ervin played with 1, how bout someone do a breakdown on that one, Tafkas you may be useful in this area.
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06-07-2006, 08:56 PM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
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Lance Alworth-no HOFers really, except for Roger Staubach Alworth's final year. Interesting to note a copule of the QBs who threw to him while he was in San Diego, Don Breaux and Dan Henning Raymond Berry-Johnny Unitas Fred Biletnikoff-George Blanda. random stat alert-both Alworth and Biletnikoff caught passes from Dick Wood...too bad Vernon Davis (VD) wasn't around then Tom Fears-Bob Waterfield, Norm Van Brocklin Elroy Hirsch-Bob Waterfield, Norm Van Brocklin Charlie Joiner-Dan Fouts Steve Largent-none, though Dave Krieg does have some impressive statistics Dante Lavelli-Otto Graham James Lofton-Jim Kelly Don Maynard-Joe Namath. Also, in 1960 and 61 his head coach was none other than Sammy Baugh and Maynard too was the proud recipient of Dick Wood passes. On a side note, looking at his numbers Joe Namath doesn't belong in the HOF. Is he in simply because of a guarantee? Tommy McDonald-Sonny Jurgensen, Norm Van Brocklin Bobby Mitchell-Len Dawson (but just a handful of plays), Sonny Jurgensen Pete Pihos-None John Stallworth-Terry Bradshaw Lynn Swann-Terry Bradshaw Charley Taylor-Sonny Jurgensen Paul Warfield-None
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06-06-2006, 06:39 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
i might have to agree with gtripp on young.one of the best in our lifetime, and maybe....top 5 of all time. if stats are the measuring stick then no way does aikman get in
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06-06-2006, 06:47 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
So you are putting Young ahead of Elway, Marino, Favre, Moon, Montana, Tarkenton, Johnny Unitas, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, and hell even Peyton Manning is ahead of Young in yards, TD's, and completions. I just dont see why everyone is sold on Young, yeah he was good but not top 5, IMO...
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06-06-2006, 07:10 AM
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You got that right, he was the benefactor of the west coast dink and dunk offense, he did nothing in the pro's until he arrived in san fran, and look how long it took him to accomplish that offense, but as usual people fall in love with a media darling and Young was definitly that, he was one of the greatest running QB's ever though I will give him that much. He couldn't come close to Montana in the same offense. 4-1 SB victories Montana |
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06-06-2006, 09:06 AM
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06-06-2006, 08:42 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
Sports writers are stupid, and they only make statements which are popular. That way, when they are proven wrong, they don't catch too much gruff because what they said was what everyone else was saying. Peter King wrote the book on this strategy.
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06-06-2006, 08:52 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
How do you email Peter King? I want to give him a piece of my mind.
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06-06-2006, 09:08 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
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Stats wise, I know Monk didn't do that much in the four Super Bowls he was in (although I think he was injured for one, right?), but how did he perform throughout his playoff career? The Skins routed everyone in the '91 playoffs, what were Monk's numbers in those games? Also, how has Skip Bayless not written an article about Monk/HOF yet? He obviously would refer to it as "The Hall of Shame" and use other such stupid puns to make his point, but at least I bet he'd be on Monk's side.
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06-06-2006, 09:43 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
elway, favre and montana would be the only three on your list i would consider ahead of young. marino and moon put up monstorous numbers playing in a throw first offense with exactly 0 super bowl wins between them. in my eyes greatness almost always = championships
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06-06-2006, 09:46 AM
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06-06-2006, 09:55 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
im not sure about bradshaw? thatguy, do you have any stats on him? i was younger when the whole steel curtain thing went down and couldnt tell how good he was because that team was just so superior to everyone else. brady is on the fast track to the hall but longevity is also a key factor
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06-06-2006, 10:24 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
Just an update...as of 10:24am....Monk 68% Irvin 32%!!!!
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06-06-2006, 10:49 AM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
Peter King is a former Giants beatwriter who would love nothing better than to keep as many Skins out of the Hall as he can. Now I understand that he is only one guy with one vote but I'm sure alot of those guys side with hime because he is such a respected figure in journalism. I have been trying to understand his reasons for feeling that Art Monk is not "deserving" of a HOF nod and I don't think I ever will. He said that Monk not being THE guy in the WR unit and just a guy who played his role therefore helping the group succeed was correct. Why do I bring that up you may ask. Well a linebacker by the name of Carl Banks was described in the exact same way with Lawrence Taylor's name substituted for Gary Clarks yet Banks is "deserving" of a HOF vote ? What team did Mr.Banks play for ? The New York Giants of course. This writer cites FORMER GIANTS COACH Bill Parcells as saying the the Giants NEVER gameplanned for Monk yet were more worried about Clark and Sanders. So I guess that the teams that planned for Taylor instead of Banks didn't matter. He compares Monks numbers to Jerry Rice's when Monks prime wasn't during the same as Rice's was. The man epitomizes everything that people say is wrong with sports. Congradulate the guy who wins and is a dick about it, forget about the guy who wins the "right way" as long as he is a Redskin. Monk probably shafted him on an interview a long time ago and he is still salty about it. I have not been shy about my resentment towards Peter King and I won't do the be today. I'm sure he's a good guy at home, if he has children I'm sure he may be a good father. As a sportswriter/correspondent he stinks IMO. He lays at the feet of Parcells and Bill OverratedChieck. What they say is golden and that's it. He has Parcells in his top ten of guys who haven't made the hall yet, how long was he retired before he came back ? Let the fat bastard retire first. Irvin before Monk ? Come on now. I respect what Irvin did and he was definitely a baller, a pushoff artist, but still a baller. If it was such a travesty that he didn't get in then the same should be for a guy who had a great work ethic and did it "the right way". Fork Peter King, he knows alot he just denies the truth. He's a Redskin hater, I would probably be a Peter King fan if he came out and was honest saying, " Hell no I would never vote for Art Monk, he's a friggin Redskin for Christ's Sake !". If he did that I'd respect him, but giving bitchy response after bitchy response only helps my hatred grow for him. He's shitty on Inside the NFL, they should get rid of him and that fag Bob Costas. Keep Chris Carters sleepy hairy eyebrowed ass on there so he can give me my dose of Redskin hate every week. It's great when he gives reason after reason without any substanance for why the Redskins will lose every game.
Screw Peter King for helping keep Art Monk out of the Hall ! "This ain't WCW, this ain't Monday Night Raw, this ain't Smackdown ! Hell this ain't even the WWE, this my friends is E,C FUCKIN W !!!!
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06-06-2006, 12:01 PM
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Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin
just voted 69-31 monk up
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