Ramsey update

Southpaw · 06-22-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Some people just don't understand take the fact that Ramsey wasn't Gibbs guy from the start. He didn't owe him anything. Saying that Gibbs 'blackballed' him is just ridiculous and flys in the face of everything that Gibbs is all about.

Actually, I understand that point perfectly. Gibbs said before that start of last season, that Ramsey was his guy, even though we all found out very quickly, that Ramsey was NOT his guy. I used the term "blackmalled" for affect, but at the very least, Gibbs lied.

This is all a moot point anyway since it happened better than a year ago. I just voiced my opinion because I wholeheartedly disagree with the attitude of most Redskin fans, that Ramsey got a fair shake.

MTK · 06-22-2006, 11:32 AM

You can accuse me all day of man crushing Gibbs, he's earned it.

mheisig · 06-22-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You can accuse me all day of man crushing Gibbs, he's earned it.

And we all know it takes some serious accomplishments to earn a man crush from Matty. Lord knows I've been trying for a while.

Monkeydad · 06-22-2006, 12:52 PM

I'm glad we've unloaded Ramsey. He had a strong arm for sure, but he never matured mentally as a pro QB. In his third year, he STILL played like a rookie. Something was wrong upstairs with him. I'm not saying he's dumb, just not able to handle the pressure of an NFL QB.

Stats were mentioned, but numbers don't show things like STUPID interceptions thrown near the opposing team's goal line, fumbles, bad decisions and overall bad play. Ramsey could throw a 50 yard TD in the first quarter and then throw a game-costing pick at the end of the game. When Brunell replaced him, I was so relieved.

That Guy · 06-22-2006, 12:54 PM

oh yeah, if we give give him three years of starting games and he did prove to be better than carr or harrington by just a bit, you know what that means? we'd probably have 3 years of bad QB play and a terrible record to go with it

he didn't exactly blow people away.

Schneed10 · 06-22-2006, 02:38 PM

1) Carr and Harrington never had to compete with a former pro-bowler who took the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game in the 90s. If they had, they would have been yanked a long time ago. Hell, Harrington gave way to Jeff Garcia and Mike McMahon at times. The fact that they "earned" their way onto the field doesn't say anything about them; it says that the Detriot and Houston front offices suck at finding backup QBs. There's a reason they're mired in such losing situations right now.

2) I've been saying it for AGES; Ramsey is inaccurate as hell, especially on deep balls. I'm not surprised at all that he is having trouble hitting receivers in camp. I never saw him throw bombs with any semblance of accuracy while he was here; he can throw the short patterns on a rope, but long bombs and touch passes, he flat out SUCKS. That's reality. He's not a starting NFL quarterback, that's just reality.

JWsleep · 06-22-2006, 08:27 PM

Who's Ramsey?

SmootSmack · 06-22-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

Who's Ramsey?

Nice. That's in the running to be my August sig. You can sponsor it...

Matty, I didn't think you'd actually post this article but I'm glad you did.

JWsleep · 06-23-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Nice. That's in the running to be my August sig. You can sponsor it...

Matty, I didn't think you'd actually post this article but I'm glad you did.

I'd be happy to sponsor it... do I get any free stuff from ESPN? Can I get my picture on a NASCAR car? Do I have to give any money? Will you take an out of state check?

SmootSmack · 06-23-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

I'd be happy to sponsor it... do I get any free stuff from ESPN? Can I get my picture on a NASCAR car? Do I have to give any money? Will you take an out of state check?

Even I don't get free stuff from ESPN. So how about a shot of johnnie walker and a pillow? Sponsorship of my signature is major exposure as gajillions of people read this site every day and then rush out and do whatever I say ("Dance BrudLee, Dance!")

You're in the running with AMD's "Jeremy Bloom is the next Picabo Street!" Accepting bids until July 30

skinsguy · 06-23-2006, 12:37 AM

Gee, I go away for just a little bit and I see some things never change, only the username.

When will folks admit that Gibbs was right in getting rid of Patrick Ramsey? I liked the guy, but it doesn't sound like he's having a great time convincing the coachs in NY either.

Schneed10 · 06-23-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Gee, I go away for just a little bit and I see some things never change, only the username.

When will folks admit that Gibbs was right in getting rid of Patrick Ramsey? I liked the guy, but it doesn't sound like he's having a great time convincing the coachs in NY either.

When it comes down to it, being a likeable guy and someone who works really hard doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a good QB. A lot of people are missing that.

mheisig · 06-23-2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

When it comes down to it, being a likeable guy and someone who works really hard doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a good QB. A lot of people are missing that.

Neither does "being tough."

I hear so many people defend Ramsey because he's "so tough." Being nice, hard working and tough are all great things to have as a QB, but it doesn't MAKE you a QB.

JoeRedskin · 06-23-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

Neither does "being tough."

I hear so many people defend Ramsey because he's "so tough." Being nice, hard working and tough are all great things to have as a QB, but it doesn't MAKE you a QB.

True enough. But it does make fans hope that the guy succeeds and I know, for my own part, those are the reasons I liked Ramsey. Add in a cannon arm and you have someone who looks like they have what it takes. Plus, prior to Gibbs it was not like the person evaluating PR had a wealth of credibility when judging QB talent at the pro level.

Once Gibbs had him and had a chance to evaluate him, he made the call and I was good with that. As someone else said, it's not like he's burning it up in NYJ right now. Bottom line is that PR had ample opportunity to "seize the day" but failed to do so.

But I still like the guy and hope he succeeds.

Hog1 · 06-23-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Gee, I go away for just a little bit and I see some things never change, only the username.

When will folks admit that Gibbs was right in getting rid of Patrick Ramsey? I liked the guy, but it doesn't sound like he's having a great time convincing the coachs in NY either.

Perfect post!
It has to do with only ONE thing................performance. he didn't and, and Brunell did. nothing else enters the equation

06-22-2006, 11:32 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Ramsey update You can accuse me all day of man crushing Gibbs, he's earned it.

06-22-2006, 12:52 PM	#4
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 46 Posts: 17,460	Re: Ramsey update I'm glad we've unloaded Ramsey. He had a strong arm for sure, but he never matured mentally as a pro QB. In his third year, he STILL played like a rookie. Something was wrong upstairs with him. I'm not saying he's dumb, just not able to handle the pressure of an NFL QB. Stats were mentioned, but numbers don't show things like STUPID interceptions thrown near the opposing team's goal line, fumbles, bad decisions and overall bad play. Ramsey could throw a 50 yard TD in the first quarter and then throw a game-costing pick at the end of the game. When Brunell replaced him, I was so relieved.

06-22-2006, 12:54 PM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Ramsey update oh yeah, if we give give him three years of starting games and he did prove to be better than carr or harrington by just a bit, you know what that means? we'd probably have 3 years of bad QB play and a terrible record to go with it he didn't exactly blow people away.

06-22-2006, 02:38 PM	#6
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Ramsey update 1) Carr and Harrington never had to compete with a former pro-bowler who took the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game in the 90s. If they had, they would have been yanked a long time ago. Hell, Harrington gave way to Jeff Garcia and Mike McMahon at times. The fact that they "earned" their way onto the field doesn't say anything about them; it says that the Detriot and Houston front offices suck at finding backup QBs. There's a reason they're mired in such losing situations right now. 2) I've been saying it for AGES; Ramsey is inaccurate as hell, especially on deep balls. I'm not surprised at all that he is having trouble hitting receivers in camp. I never saw him throw bombs with any semblance of accuracy while he was here; he can throw the short patterns on a rope, but long bombs and touch passes, he flat out SUCKS. That's reality. He's not a starting NFL quarterback, that's just reality. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

06-22-2006, 08:27 PM	#7
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Ramsey update Who's Ramsey? __________________ Hail from Houston!

06-23-2006, 12:37 AM	#11
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Ramsey update Gee, I go away for just a little bit and I see some things never change, only the username. When will folks admit that Gibbs was right in getting rid of Patrick Ramsey? I liked the guy, but it doesn't sound like he's having a great time convincing the coachs in NY either. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

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