Negotiations between Saints, Bush agent to heat up

[dmek25]

i say let him sit. his impact with the saints will not even be noticed. with his body frame and the way the players hit, i wouldnt be surprised if he wasnt injured early

[Daseal]

Two Words.
Prima Donna

[jdlea]

Jesus Christ, because the media thinks Reggie Bush will have a huge impact everyone wants to put him under a microscope? WTF? He asked if he could wear #5, so what?! The last time a rookie asked to wear a number that didn't agree with the NFL number system, the rules got changed and Keyshawn got to wear #19.

In addition, Vince Young could potentially make more than Mario Williams. So, it seems pretty logical that Reggie Bush get #1 pick money if it's not even as much as #3 pick money. Vince Young's deal includes incentives, as should Reggie's, but if he could make more than Mario Williams, why shouldn't Reggie be able to?

I mean, really. I don't know what everyone has against Reggie Bush. God forbid someone make a request of the league when they get drafted. God forbid a player's contract negotiations not go well with what is very possibly the worst organization in football. How about we talk about the positive shit he's done? He's jumped into the Katrina relief effort. He took a 1 page ad in the Times-Picayune after he went to dinner one night in New Orleans and got cheered. So, contract negotiations aren't going well, blame the player?

Tomlinson barley got signed before the first game of the season. Where was the infinite outrage from all of you then? How come the most owner favoring league in sports still has the players blamed for every single thing that happens with a contract?

[jdlea]

Oh, and btw, coming off of a torn ACL, McAllister won't be of much use to them. He'll still be able to carry the load, maybe, but the yards aren't going to be impressive. So, Reggie will probably have to be the main option for them. Like it or not.

What upsets me is that most of you don't like him because the media makes him out to be great. So, it is through no fault of his own that he's disliked.

[superskins]

it's stupid because he is already a got millions from promotions. if he really cared about neworleans (as he says)he would sign a deal that was respectable and move on already. he only cares about himself

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by superskins

it's stupid because he is already a got millions from promotions. if he really cared about neworleans (as he says)he would sign a deal that was respectable and move on already. he only cares about himself

yes, because professional athletes should never try to negotiate their worth to the franchise and always short change themselves for the good of the team... /sarcasm. who the hell else should he care about if he's putting his body on the line?

Doesn't care about New Orleans huh???

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

yes, because professional athletes should never try to negotiate their worth to the franchise and always short change themselves for the good of the team... /sarcasm. who the hell else should he care about if he's putting his body on the line?

Doesn't care about New Orleans huh???

but he's not worth more than the number one pick...he was the #2 pick, so he should be paid like it

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by steveo395

but he's not worth more than the number one pick...he was the #2 pick, so he should be paid like it

Vince Young was the number 3 pick and he's being paid more than the #1 pick. The difference in guaranteed money is 1 or 2 million between Williams and Young. So, it seems that Reggie will have to be paid close to that according to the way rookie contracts are negotiated.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by steveo395

but he's not worth more than the number one pick...he was the #2 pick, so he should be paid like it

Mario Williams (first pick): 6 year/54/26.5 g
Vince Young (third pick): 6 year (option 6th)/58/25.7 g

Granted, both of these guys probably won't see these full base salaries before extensions hit (and williams gets a little more guaranteed), but the fact is VY's numbers are higher than MW's.

Justify this...

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

Mario Williams (first pick): 6 year/54/26.5 g
Vince Young (third pick): 6 year (option 6th)/58/25.7 g

Granted, both of these guys probably won't see these full base salaries before extensions hit (and williams gets a little more gauranteed), but the fact is VY's numbers are higher than MW's.

Justify this...

mario williams still got more guaranteed money and the only way vince young can make more than him is if he meets certain escalators and plays out the whole deal (most likely won't happen)

reggie bush should get guaranteed money at about 26 million with the base salary somewhere around where these two players are. He shouldn't get more guaranteed money than williams, which is what he wants

[Daseal]

The last time a rookie asked to wear a number that didn't agree with the NFL number system, the rules got changed and Keyshawn got to wear #19.

Edge petitioned to wear #5 and got turned down. Before Keyshawn wasn't the league already thinking of opening up WR numbers because most teams carry a lot of WRs and numbers were a bit thin?

I mean, really. I don't know what everyone has against Reggie Bush. God forbid someone make a request of the league when they get drafted. God forbid a player's contract negotiations not go well with what is very possibly the worst organization in football. How about we talk about the positive shit he's done? He's jumped into the Katrina relief effort. He took a 1 page ad in the Times-Picayune after he went to dinner one night in New Orleans and got cheered. So, contract negotiations aren't going well, blame the player?

Yes, let's cry about Reggie Bush. Poor him. So what if he was illegally getting housing for his family and other perks against NCAA rules. You know what, if he wanted #1 pick money, he should have taken the contract Mario Williams now has. Because from everything I've heard, they tossed that deal to both, Mario accepted, Reggie declined. That said. QBs and DEs are two of the highest paid positions in football. They aren't a dime a dozen like running backs.

Good for Reggie for donating money to Katrina and the city of New Orleans to help it recover, but let's not act as if he did it totally selflessly. Remember when he was giving X amount of jersey sales to Katrina, as long as the NFL let him wear #5. That's not the least bit manipulative. An attempt to force the NFL to let him have 5 or to try to make them look bad. Luckily, he's giving that percentage anyways, but still. Lets not act like he didn't have some alternate motives.

Oh, and btw, coming off of a torn ACL, McAllister won't be of much use to them. He'll still be able to carry the load, maybe, but the yards aren't going to be impressive. So, Reggie will probably have to be the main option for them. Like it or not.

Listening to Sirius, the beat writer for New Orleans said the McAllister was definitely the #1 and was progressing great. Looked and (somehow) felt better than he has in a long time. Let's also not forget they have Michael Bennett who isn't a bad back and is Bush-esque in his scat back, small frame type of guy.

As they say in the NFL. You play for that 2nd contract. That's where you get your money. Once you're proven you can work on getting a big deal. Until then, he's just the next Ryan Leaf in my eyes.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Edge petitioned to wear #5 and got turned down. Before Keyshawn wasn't the league already thinking of opening up WR numbers because most teams carry a lot of WRs and numbers were a bit thin?


Yes, let's cry about Reggie Bush. Poor him. So what if he was illegally getting housing for his family and other perks against NCAA rules. You know what, if he wanted #1 pick money, he should have taken the contract Mario Williams now has. Because from everything I've heard, they tossed that deal to both, Mario accepted, Reggie declined. That said. QBs and DEs are two of the highest paid positions in football. They aren't a dime a dozen like running backs.

Good for Reggie for donating money to Katrina and the city of New Orleans to help it recover, but let's not act as if he did it totally selflessly. Remember when he was giving X amount of jersey sales to Katrina, as long as the NFL let him wear #5. That's not the least bit manipulative. An attempt to force the NFL to let him have 5 or to try to make them look bad. Luckily, he's giving that percentage anyways, but still. Lets not act like he didn't have some alternate motives.


Listening to Sirius, the beat writer for New Orleans said the McAllister was definitely the #1 and was progressing great. Looked and (somehow) felt better than he has in a long time. Let's also not forget they have Michael Bennett who isn't a bad back and is Bush-esque in his scat back, small frame type of guy.

As they say in the NFL. You play for that 2nd contract. That's where you get your money. Once you're proven you can work on getting a big deal. Until then, he's just the next Ryan Leaf in my eyes.

I still don't see why he has some huge ego because he asked to wear #5? He's still giving the money to Katrina Relief efforts and that's all that really matters.

As for breaking NCAA rules. I don't care. I really don't. It doesn't matter to me one bit. NCAA players get used as it is. It doesn't matter to me if they take advantage of their fame. Schools make millions off of kids who are provided a free education. 40k a year? Those kids are putting more money than that into the school's pockets, so I could really care less about any player taking money. I didn't care about Clarrett breaking rules. I don't care that Vick broke rules. It doesn't matter to me if a college player is taking money because most of them do and don't get caught.

I remember listening to Jeff Bostic talk about when he broke into the league and his first contract. He said, "that was a paycut coming from Clemson." I couldn't care less that a guy was taking advantage of his fame and getting shit for free. Will I feel bad for him if he gets his Hiesman taken away? No. Cause he knew he was breaking the rules and he got caught. But it doesn't matter to me.

As for McAllister...you've seen running backs come back from torn ACL's before. I don't care what he says. I'll be shocked if he goes for 1100 yards.

And as for Michael Bennet. He's sick with his 1 1000 yard season. And I know you're response will be, but Reggie hasn't played in the NFL. So what? That's what ROOKIE means.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I still don't see why he has some huge ego because he asked to wear #5? He's still giving the money to Katrina Relief efforts and that's all that really matters.

As for breaking NCAA rules. I don't care. I really don't. It doesn't matter to me one bit. NCAA players get used as it is. It doesn't matter to me if they take advantage of their fame. Schools make millions off of kids who are provided a free education. 40k a year? Those kids are putting more money than that into the school's pockets, so I could really care less about any player taking money. I didn't care about Clarrett breaking rules. I don't care that Vick broke rules. It doesn't matter to me if a college player is taking money because most of them do and don't get caught.

I remember listening to Jeff Bostic talk about when he broke into the league and his first contract. He said, "that was a paycut coming from Clemson." I couldn't care less that a guy was taking advantage of his fame and getting shit for free. Will I feel bad for him if he gets his Hiesman taken away? No. Cause he knew he was breaking the rules and he got caught. But it doesn't matter to me.

As for McAllister...you've seen running backs come back from torn ACL's before. I don't care what he says. I'll be shocked if he goes for 1100 yards.

And as for Michael Bennet. He's sick with his 1 1000 yard season. And I know you're response will be, but Reggie hasn't played in the NFL. So what? That's what ROOKIE means.

I agree with you that there's really nothing wrong with Reggie Bush asking for what he thinks he deserves. Whether I agree with it is a different matter. BUt he's entitled to do what he feels. He has to be prepared to face a backlash in the public eye over that, it's just the nature of the beast.

As far as Deuce coming back from a torn ACL, let me submit the name Terry Allen who came back from two gruesome ACL injuries to put up some pretty nice numbers for the Redskins.

[SmootSmack]

Looks like he has a deal

ESPN.com - NFL - Bush agrees to six-year deal with Saints

[dmek25]

im not sure what all the fuss is? i really could give a rats ass about what # reggie bush wants to wear. as far as the money, just another greedy, pampered athlete trying to make as much money as possible so his kids kids never have to work a day in their lives. i think its great that bush donated 50,000 to new orleans but, in the big scheme of things, fifty grand to him is peanuts. probably done more for the good publicity than anything else