Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush

That Guy · 09-17-2006, 03:04 AM

good points, but unless the NCAA starts paying the players and paying people to do background checks/keep tabs on them, the corruption will continue. this isn't just a USC problem, this isn't just a reggie bush problem, and whatever the consequences, they're going to be largely ignored by many, because only 1/1000 transgressions gets caught (much like speeding tickets).

Reggie was dumb for taking such large sums while in such a spotlight, but even though he should have known better, i bet it's harder to say no when all that free money is sitting right in front of you.

Redskins8588 · 01-24-2007, 10:25 PM

ESPN.com - NCF - Report: Tapes could confirm Bush received gifts

Ok now there is supposedly new eveidence of Bush's guilt in taking gifts. If he is found guilty, other than taking away his Heisman Trophy, what else can be done to him?

FRPLG · 01-25-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

ESPN.com - NCF - Report: Tapes could confirm Bush received gifts

Ok now there is supposedly new eveidence of Bush's guilt in taking gifts. If he is found guilty, other than taking away his Heisman Trophy, what else can be done to him?

Nothing. He didn't do anything illegal. Just against the NCAA rules. I guess USC could have some problems though. Retroactive forfeits and such. Loss of bowl monies maybe.

Daseal · 01-25-2007, 12:19 AM

Can't they penalize USC by taking away scholarships and the National Championship if this is indeed pans out?

firstdown · 01-25-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Can't they penalize USC by taking away scholarships and the National Championship if this is indeed pans out?

Yes the school can have those taken away but I think the NCAA would have a hard time pentalizing the other players by taking away their NC. I also heard today that the rules state that at the time of voting for Heisman the player must be in good standing. So at the time Bush was in good standing so taking away his Heisman may be tough to do. Someone else mentioned work but from what I heard today that a player is not allowed to work drun the football season. Which would make sense because trying to go to school, playing football and working would be way too much for a player to do. We have to remember that these kids get prayed upon by adults trying to make a buck off them. Alot of them come from families that cannot afford to send much money. So at age 19 these kids get money offers to help them and their families and it could be real tough to turn down the money to help your family out. Now maybe the parent or parents sould be the one to say no don't take that money we will do what needs to be done to get you through college. I would also think that its only a small % of players that have this problem because an agent is not to bribe a kid who may never even see the pros.

FRPLG · 01-25-2007, 12:22 AM

Actually I guess now that I think about it there could be some tax repercussions. Free gifts and all being untaxed = tax evasion. I guess that is one thing that could happen.

Duffman003 · 01-25-2007, 02:56 AM

maybe he accepted a donation, who cares, if this happens in any other sport in any other league then nobody cares. his parents needed money... that doesn't mean he's a worse humam being or he is a worse professional athlete

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-25-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffman003

maybe he accepted a donation, who cares, if this happens in any other sport in any other league then nobody cares. his parents needed money... that doesn't mean he's a worse humam being or he is a worse professional athlete

Right. On the flip side of that, as a kid not even out of college, it would most definitely be hard to say "no" to that kind of cash staring you in the face.

Hog1 · 01-25-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffman003

maybe he accepted a donation, who cares, if this happens in any other sport in any other league then nobody cares. his parents needed money... that doesn't mean he's a worse humam being or he is a worse professional athlete

If the allegations are true, it means he broke the rules. He broke the NCAA law. Agree, or not agree, if you don't say no, where do you draw the line. Who gets to determine who's family needs money? It's ok to violate the rules if your a good guy, but not an asshole? Who determines who's, who? Growing problem in this country, lack of enforcement of the established rules and laws. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Best wisdom I ever got from an attorney. The only people that pay in this world are those that cannot afford to

Pocket$ $traight · 01-25-2007, 08:58 PM

I don't care what he did. That 88 yard play is easily the play of the year and the somersault was the cherry on top!

He totally embarrassed Urlacher and I have a feeling it won't be the last time.

Darrell_Green_28 · 01-26-2007, 04:47 AM

If that is the case wouldn't USC be stripped of their Title for that yr seeing that would have made Bush inelligible?

dmek25 · 01-26-2007, 06:22 AM

stuff like this just reinforced to me how screwed up the NCAA is. i just read an article that the NCAA isn't going to bother some of the southern schools that still display the confederate flag. they are more worried about Reggie bush getting some money, last year? these athletes bring in sooo much money to their schools, there ought to be some type of athletic allowance. because of what was previously stated, big time athletics is a full time job

Pocket$ $traight · 01-26-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

stuff like this just reinforced to me how screwed up the NCAA is. i just read an article that the NCAA isn't going to bother some of the southern schools that still display the confederate flag. they are more worried about Reggie bush getting some money, last year? these athletes bring in sooo much money to their schools, there ought to be some type of athletic allowance. because of what was previously stated, big time athletics is a full time job

In the case of an athlete that goes to a private school like USC, they are getting a $200,000 education for free. Is that not enough?

dmek25 · 01-26-2007, 08:13 AM

whats $200.000 compared to the amount of money that U.S.C's football program brings to that school? peanuts. they probably fund their entire athletic budget from the football teams' revenue

Pocket$ $traight · 01-26-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

whats $200.000 compared to the amount of money that U.S.C's football program brings to that school? peanuts. they probably fund their entire athletic budget from the football teams' revenue

They more than cover their budget. You think they will be better off paying the players? How do you allocate the money? You would have to pay every player the exact same or Michigan USC OSU etc... would be in the Championship game every year.

Then you have to pay the basketball players, baseball players, etc. Where does it stop?

09-17-2006, 03:04 AM	#1
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush good points, but unless the NCAA starts paying the players and paying people to do background checks/keep tabs on them, the corruption will continue. this isn't just a USC problem, this isn't just a reggie bush problem, and whatever the consequences, they're going to be largely ignored by many, because only 1/1000 transgressions gets caught (much like speeding tickets). Reggie was dumb for taking such large sums while in such a spotlight, but even though he should have known better, i bet it's harder to say no when all that free money is sitting right in front of you.

01-24-2007, 10:25 PM	#2
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush ESPN.com - NCF - Report: Tapes could confirm Bush received gifts Ok now there is supposedly new eveidence of Bush's guilt in taking gifts. If he is found guilty, other than taking away his Heisman Trophy, what else can be done to him? __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

01-25-2007, 12:19 AM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush Can't they penalize USC by taking away scholarships and the National Championship if this is indeed pans out? __________________ Best. Player. Available.

01-25-2007, 12:22 AM	#6
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush Actually I guess now that I think about it there could be some tax repercussions. Free gifts and all being untaxed = tax evasion. I guess that is one thing that could happen.

01-25-2007, 02:56 AM	#7
Duffman003 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 602	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush maybe he accepted a donation, who cares, if this happens in any other sport in any other league then nobody cares. his parents needed money... that doesn't mean he's a worse humam being or he is a worse professional athlete __________________ give me food, feed me lunch 'you want water?', B#### give me punch - D12

01-25-2007, 08:58 PM	#10
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 49 Posts: 4,261	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush I don't care what he did. That 88 yard play is easily the play of the year and the somersault was the cherry on top! He totally embarrassed Urlacher and I have a feeling it won't be the last time.

01-26-2007, 04:47 AM	#11
Darrell_Green_28 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Robert, Louisiana Age: 57 Posts: 2,119	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush If that is the case wouldn't USC be stripped of their Title for that yr seeing that would have made Bush inelligible?

01-26-2007, 06:22 AM	#12
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush stuff like this just reinforced to me how screwed up the NCAA is. i just read an article that the NCAA isn't going to bother some of the southern schools that still display the confederate flag. they are more worried about Reggie bush getting some money, last year? these athletes bring in sooo much money to their schools, there ought to be some type of athletic allowance. because of what was previously stated, big time athletics is a full time job __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-26-2007, 08:13 AM	#14
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Say good bye to your Heisman Mr. Bush whats $200.000 compared to the amount of money that U.S.C's football program brings to that school? peanuts. they probably fund their entire athletic budget from the football teams' revenue __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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