Are 21 and 31 over-rated?

[hands11]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

first I just want to say that this is not to compare Taylor to Williams.

With that said, I think those two players are over-rated. The media and fans have gotten into their heads and made them think HARDEST HIT = WIN.

I see that both players get burnned, and when you are somone of Taylor's and Williams talent it shouldn't happen to you that badly.

I mean the game against the Jaguars Taylor put a vicious hit on the receiver but the guy still held on to the ball for a TD. In the game against the Eagles Williams gave up two huge plays because he is looking for the big hit.

My question then, are they really over-rated or are they playing the wrong positions?

I've been a supporter of moving Taylor to SS in which case getting Adam was a bad move. To me, Taylor is almost a LB and like Chicago converting Erlacker (sp), we should at a min. move Taylor to SS where he can lay the wood. Take Vincent if he has the speed, or Rogers if Knight starts or Knight is Rogers starts, and move them to FS.

CB - Spring
CB - Roger/Knight
SS - Taylor
FS - Knight/Rogers

Then you have Ruff, and Vincent for dime and nickel packages.

DE-Wynn - Carter on 3rd or rushing downs
DT-Grif
DT-Salava
DE-Daniels

LB - Marcus
LB - Marshall
LB - McIntosh/Campbell

You could even line up Taylor as an LB and bring in Adam on all out blitz packages. Offenses would be freaked seeing that line up.

This defensive line up feels a lot better to me then what we have seen.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by hands11

I've been a supporter of moving Taylor to SS in which case getting Adam was a bad move. To me, Taylor is almost a LB and like Chicago converting Erlacker (sp), we should at a min. move Taylor to SS where he can lay the wood. Take Vincent if he has the speed, or Rogers if Knight starts or Knight is Rogers starts, and move them to FS.

CB - Spring
CB - Roger/Knight
SS - Taylor
FS - Knight/Rogers

Then you have Ruff, and Vincent for dime and nickel packages.

DE-Wynn - Carter on 3rd or rushing downs
DT-Grif
DT-Salava
DE-Daniels

LB - Marcus
LB - Marshall
LB - McIntosh/Campbell

You could even line up Taylor as an LB and bring in Adam on all out blitz packages. Offenses would be freaked seeing that line up.

This defensive line up feels a lot better to me then what we have seen.

knight? do you mean wright? rogers wont be playing safety i dont think

[hands11]

Originally Posted by Big C

knight? do you mean wright? rogers wont be playing safety i dont think

your right. I meant wright not knight.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Well put.

[Daseal]

Vick has looked great the last few days, but I want to see this consistantly from him before I buy in that his arm is better. I was a huge Vick fan when he went to tech, and really hoped he'd transition to the pros. If I want to see exciting, I put Vick in a class with Barry Sanders, but if I'm choosing a QB for my team, I'm picking passing over scrambles. Someone with enough to keep the play alive, but with an arm!

[hands11]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Vick has looked great the last few days, but I want to see this consistantly from him before I buy in that his arm is better. I was a huge Vick fan when he went to tech, and really hoped he'd transition to the pros. If I want to see exciting, I put Vick in a class with Barry Sanders, but if I'm choosing a QB for my team, I'm picking passing over scrambles. Someone with enough to keep the play alive, but with an arm!

Vick did play amazing this last week. So has he been overrated. Probably true do date. I think people got pumped on his running and his potential.

I kind of see it like this. A QB that can run like Vick can take more time to gain other QB skills because they can always run. Randal Cunningham was like this. But as they get more years under their belts and they learn to be better D readers and passers, they become amazing QBs.

One important question is, how much leg do they have left before they learn the other QB game so they can have the best of both.

If Vick is actually learning that now, he could be a QB at the level of a McNabb or even much better. I think he will get there soon. ( This year or next )

[The Zimmermans]

Vick always has spurs of brilliance like this, and then he runs into a defensive scheme he can't handle, and suddenly he spirals downward. He's very fun to watch, but if the atlanta D wasnt so solid every year, they would never make the playoffs.

[dmek25]

vick is the most over rated quarterback in the league. with that being said, he is one of the top 3 athletes playing in this league. and so far, for the falcons at least, that has translated into winning. he does not fit the traditional mold of an nfl qback, but whatever works, so be it. but to say he is on par with manning or mcnabb, that is just plain stupid. and im pretty sure everything i have said here has nothing to do with what color his skin is.

[hail_2_da_skins]

This post in insane. It went from, "Is Sean Taylor and Roy Williams over-rated?" to "Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb are over-rated?" to "whoever thinks Vick and McNabb are over-rated is racist". This is by far the most bizarre post ever. Both Sean Taylor and Roy Williams deserve the reputation they have gained. You can never discount the intimidation factor. What each player lacks in coverage skills is more than made up with the intimidation factor. Fear will cause wide receivers run bad routes, drop passes and short-arm catches. As for Vick and McNabb being over-rated, that's another absurb comment. Look at the results and the standings. Would you rather have Mark Brunell to quarterback your team or Vick or McNabb. I'll take Vick or McNabb in a heartbeat.

[The Zimmermans]

brunell sucks, so comparing anyone to him is meaningless. no one thinks mcnabb is overrated, just vick.