Theismann made a great point during MNF.

memphisskin · 10-31-2006, 10:21 AM

Again, I see other qbs and wonder "why not us?"

Teams also don't seem to care about our motion anymore, we start off in one set, move Moss or Randle-El out of the backfield and out into the flat and other teams are like "so?"

Instead of 700 pages of plays, how bout one play and 700 formations?

The Zimmermans · 10-31-2006, 10:33 AM

Run first works if you are winning...............or if you have a good defense, we don't fall into either of those categories, so we are screwed. I like how saunders tried to come out throwing last week, it proved effective until brunell started screwing it up in the second half. Running the ball is only effective in sustaining drives in the second half, when defenses are tired, in the first half, it's usually just a compliment to the pass. These are all points intended for the MODERN nfl, not the 80s and 90s NFL.

dmek25 · 10-31-2006, 10:36 AM

running the football = winning the time of possesion, which in turn = keeping the defense off the field. sounds like a winning formula to me

mredskins · 10-31-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

running the football = winning the time of possesion, which in turn = keeping the defense off the field. sounds like a winning formula to me

DMEK you are right. Here is a clue we don't have fucking Tom Brady! So we can not run our offense like the Pats.

61cad · 10-31-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

running the football = winning the time of possesion, which in turn = keeping the defense off the field. sounds like a winning formula to me

The Skins defense can not keep itself off the field. The only way this team is going to win is to out score the opponent.

Loose the ball control , Joe Gibbs offense and open this baby up or this team goes 2 and 14.

The Zimmermans · 10-31-2006, 10:44 AM

that's good theoretically, but running the ball does not get you first downs consistently. We need a way to spread out the defense, then the running game would dominate.

skinsfan69 · 10-31-2006, 11:34 AM

My point is that when you get against GOOD NFL DEFENSES you can't come in and run it down everyone's throat. It just does not work! It sure didn't work against Tampa in the playoffs did it? Or against Seattle! And the hell with motion. Motion is a bunch of bullshit. Do the Colts run motion???? No. Never. They never run any motion. It's always the same thing. Harrison on the right and Wayne on the left. Dungy said that they have been running the same plays for 7 FRICKIN YEARS! How about execution!!!! How about production???? I almost don't even want to turn on the TV Sunday after watching the Pats and the Colts over the weekend. Brunell is so old and tired. Plus Romo carved up Carolina in Carolina! What in the hell is Gibbs waiting for?

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-31-2006, 11:38 AM

You're kind of contradicting yourself there. If it's all about execution, then why CAN'T you run it down someone's throat?

SmootSmack · 10-31-2006, 03:36 PM

You know what's interesting and I don't think has been pointed out here is how many quick, short passes the Pats throw. They're not launching it ever other play. It's a lot of screens and dump offs

offiss · 11-01-2006, 01:37 AM

Here's the problem, we all have been watching Brunell for so long we forgot what it's like to have a real QB on the field, and so we continue to try and figure out what the problem is other than Brunell, why? Because we all know we are stuck with him, every offensive problem we have could be attributed to the QB, a QB can make a team one dimensional in a heartbeat. Brunell was never a genious a QB, and now at 36 years old we want him to learn a new offense with a different philosophy than he's ever had, and to learn a 700 page play book, Brunell is lucky if could memorize 30 plays. He has no ability how to scan a field pre snap and know where the week spot in the defense will be on that particular play. Take a good look at Lloyd our last game he was fuming has anyone heard why? I have a pretty good idea why, our WR's are running thier a**'s off and Brunell could care less he's just dumping the ball off without giving the a second or third option a look.

I am not saying that this offense will turn upside down if and when Campbell ever gets a chance because he is a highly unproven player, but something has to give and I think it's about to, Gibbs is close to having no choice but to make the switch, unfortunatly the season will be over by the time he does, he acts as if after Brunells play that benching him is giving up on the season, when in actuallity it's the complete opposite regardless of the results, proven loser, against unproven ????

offiss · 11-01-2006, 01:45 AM

It didn't take minnesota long to send a message to Brad Johnson, Childress is already thinking about making a move at QB, Johnson has remotly been near as bad as Brunell.

Kind of ironic, the monday night game saw both backup QB's, I really had to laugh at that considering our sorry state of affairs with Brunell, Gibbs acts as if Campbell gets on that field the world will come to an end, I said it before and I will say it again it almost looks like to me Gibbs is scared that someone will step in and outplay his beloved Brunell and he will have no choice but to bench him.

VTSkins897 · 10-31-2006, 04:37 PM

pats coaching > skins coaching

it starts there but additionally...

pats QB > skins QBs

The Zimmermans · 10-31-2006, 04:40 PM

Skins have such trouble dealing with their own schemes that they don't have time to identify anyone else's. They are never prepared for the opponent. The halftime adjustments have been miserable as well. Maybe they have TOO MANY coaches in power.

hands11 · 11-01-2006, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Anyone watch the Pats last night? Joe T. made a great point. He said the Pats offense doesn't care about balance. They care about production and points. Plus I don't think I saw one false start or any penalties on the Pats 0-line on the road with crowd noise. Unlike the Skins line they are so disiplined. Brady is pointing out blitzers and they execute. Plus who are the WR's? Gabriel, Caldwell, Jackson and T. Brown? Give me a break! I know the TE is a stud but please. Why is it that the Skins always say that they must run to win? You bring in two new WR's w/ S. Moss and Cooley and you want to be a running team? Has anyone told Gibbs for the most part it's a passing league now???? How about you attack the weakness of your opponent? Does the Skins offense ever do this? We saw it with Indy. They didn't even bother messing around with Bailey. They just killed the other corner. Does the Skins offense ever attack? It always seems they come out and try and ram it down everyone's throat. Sometimes it's just painful to watch. Not smart offense in today's NFL! Just my .02.

Agreed. I have posted about this else where. Gibbs I was about mismatches and adjustment first, spreading it out came second.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2006, 01:50 AM

So you think that Gibbs couldn't care less about the organization he's invested so much time and effort into, that he doesn't want to help restore to the greatness it once had due in large part to Gibbs because he has some sort of man-crush on Brunell?

10-31-2006, 10:21 AM	#1
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. Again, I see other qbs and wonder "why not us?" Teams also don't seem to care about our motion anymore, we start off in one set, move Moss or Randle-El out of the backfield and out into the flat and other teams are like "so?" Instead of 700 pages of plays, how bout one play and 700 formations?

10-31-2006, 10:33 AM	#2
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. Run first works if you are winning...............or if you have a good defense, we don't fall into either of those categories, so we are screwed. I like how saunders tried to come out throwing last week, it proved effective until brunell started screwing it up in the second half. Running the ball is only effective in sustaining drives in the second half, when defenses are tired, in the first half, it's usually just a compliment to the pass. These are all points intended for the MODERN nfl, not the 80s and 90s NFL. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

10-31-2006, 10:36 AM	#3
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. running the football = winning the time of possesion, which in turn = keeping the defense off the field. sounds like a winning formula to me __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

10-31-2006, 10:44 AM	#6
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. that's good theoretically, but running the ball does not get you first downs consistently. We need a way to spread out the defense, then the running game would dominate. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

10-31-2006, 11:34 AM	#7
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. My point is that when you get against GOOD NFL DEFENSES you can't come in and run it down everyone's throat. It just does not work! It sure didn't work against Tampa in the playoffs did it? Or against Seattle! And the hell with motion. Motion is a bunch of bullshit. Do the Colts run motion???? No. Never. They never run any motion. It's always the same thing. Harrison on the right and Wayne on the left. Dungy said that they have been running the same plays for 7 FRICKIN YEARS! How about execution!!!! How about production???? I almost don't even want to turn on the TV Sunday after watching the Pats and the Colts over the weekend. Brunell is so old and tired. Plus Romo carved up Carolina in Carolina! What in the hell is Gibbs waiting for?

10-31-2006, 11:38 AM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. You're kind of contradicting yourself there. If it's all about execution, then why CAN'T you run it down someone's throat? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

10-31-2006, 03:36 PM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. You know what's interesting and I don't think has been pointed out here is how many quick, short passes the Pats throw. They're not launching it ever other play. It's a lot of screens and dump offs __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-01-2006, 01:37 AM	#10
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. Here's the problem, we all have been watching Brunell for so long we forgot what it's like to have a real QB on the field, and so we continue to try and figure out what the problem is other than Brunell, why? Because we all know we are stuck with him, every offensive problem we have could be attributed to the QB, a QB can make a team one dimensional in a heartbeat. Brunell was never a genious a QB, and now at 36 years old we want him to learn a new offense with a different philosophy than he's ever had, and to learn a 700 page play book, Brunell is lucky if could memorize 30 plays. He has no ability how to scan a field pre snap and know where the week spot in the defense will be on that particular play. Take a good look at Lloyd our last game he was fuming has anyone heard why? I have a pretty good idea why, our WR's are running thier a**'s off and Brunell could care less he's just dumping the ball off without giving the a second or third option a look. I am not saying that this offense will turn upside down if and when Campbell ever gets a chance because he is a highly unproven player, but something has to give and I think it's about to, Gibbs is close to having no choice but to make the switch, unfortunatly the season will be over by the time he does, he acts as if after Brunells play that benching him is giving up on the season, when in actuallity it's the complete opposite regardless of the results, proven loser, against unproven ????

11-01-2006, 01:45 AM	#11
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. It didn't take minnesota long to send a message to Brad Johnson, Childress is already thinking about making a move at QB, Johnson has remotly been near as bad as Brunell. Kind of ironic, the monday night game saw both backup QB's, I really had to laugh at that considering our sorry state of affairs with Brunell, Gibbs acts as if Campbell gets on that field the world will come to an end, I said it before and I will say it again it almost looks like to me Gibbs is scared that someone will step in and outplay his beloved Brunell and he will have no choice but to bench him.

10-31-2006, 04:37 PM	#12
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. pats coaching > skins coaching it starts there but additionally... pats QB > skins QBs

10-31-2006, 04:40 PM	#13
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 41 Posts: 937	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. Skins have such trouble dealing with their own schemes that they don't have time to identify anyone else's. They are never prepared for the opponent. The halftime adjustments have been miserable as well. Maybe they have TOO MANY coaches in power. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-01-2006, 01:50 AM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Theismann made a great point during MNF. So you think that Gibbs couldn't care less about the organization he's invested so much time and effort into, that he doesn't want to help restore to the greatness it once had due in large part to Gibbs because he has some sort of man-crush on Brunell? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

Theismann made a great point during MNF.

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