Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings

MTK · 11-14-2006, 09:30 AM

Portis isn't going anywhere.

irish · 11-14-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Portis isn't going anywhere.

I agree. Nobody will want him because he is dinged. I see folks are talking about CP like they did LaVar.

MTK · 11-14-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I agree. Nobody will want him because he is dinged. I see folks are talking about CP like they did LaVar.

You really think nobody would want CP??

He's not nursing a chronic knee like LaVar.

He's still a top back in this league, he would have no problem finding a new team.

irish · 11-14-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You really think nobody would want CP??

He's not nursing a chronic knee like LaVar.

He's still a top back in this league, he would have no problem finding a new team.

Not for the $ he will command.

I know he's not nursing a chronic knee but he hurt his shoulder earlier and now his hand. IMO that would raise questions to others about whether CP is now injury prone.

He is a top back but he's expensive. RBs are a dime a dozen in this league and the most expendible of any position on the team. Teams (except for the skins) like to draft RB at a low cost and then have them outperform their contract.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-14-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Not for the $ he will command.

I know he's not nursing a chronic knee but he hurt his shoulder earlier and now his hand. IMO that would raise questions to others about whether CP is now injury prone.

He is a top back but he's expensive. RBs are a dime a dozen in this league and the most expendible of any position on the team. Teams (except for the skins) like to draft RB at a low cost and then have them outperform their contract.

First, Portis will command a lot of money because everyone knows how special he is.

As for RBs being a dime a dozen, I disagree. You can get a decent back for little money or a mid-round pick. You do not get a Clinton Portis on the cheap - no one except LT can run, block, and catch like him. If your theory about backs is true, why would any team (e.g. Seattle, San Diego) sign backs to big contracts?

BrunellMVP? · 11-14-2006, 09:36 AM

my cut list:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Nick Novak - $435K
Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut (pride will make him work something out)
David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut

we prob won't cut both backup QBs...and i don't mind tossing one of our overpaid lineman- trade for picks?

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-14-2006, 10:04 AM

What?! This is crazy talk. Portis will be back next year and be fine. I think it would be even better if we can get a great tackle in the draft as well.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-14-2006, 10:12 AM

It doesn't matter who got tackled by Dawkins. It's not like he has a pussy hand that wouldn't have gotten broken if it was anyone else.

MTK · 11-14-2006, 10:22 AM

Portis has been banged up but I guarantee that his stock around the league would still be pretty high if he became available.

RiggoRules · 11-14-2006, 12:25 PM

There is one more option regarding #8.

He does the honorable thing and retires. If he does that, the cap savings would be even greater.

There is no point to keep Collins or Brunnell around.

Vincent is an absolute keeper.

Give Arch another year and then deal with it.

Portis has had two freak injuries -- they do not show he is injury prone and he isn't going anywhere. Please lay off the crystal meth and remove the couch from in front of your trailer.

irish · 11-14-2006, 01:36 PM

Portis may command lots of $ but that doesnt mean anyone will pay it.

They did sign those backs to big contracts but not without lots of hand wringing and soul searching. I just dont think teams need high $ backs to be very successful. Look at Indy, Chicago, NE, Balt, Denver. They all have decent backs but none of those backs are household names or mega $ contracts.

Schneed10 · 11-14-2006, 02:56 PM

I'm sorry I was in meetings all day, I could have squashed this nonsensical Portis discussion a lot sooner.

Portis is scheduled to hit our cap for $7.0 million in 2007. If we cut him or trade him, he'll hit $8.1 million. There's no way we release a still very productive Portis, age 26, AND take an incremental cap hit for doing so. The only way we'd get rid of him is if we actually saved (A LOT of) money, which we wouldn't.

Portis will not object to renegotiation. The 'Skins have structured their contracts in such a way to simply convert roster bonuses and base salaries into new signing bonuses. Portis would still get the cash his contract says he's supposed to get in '07; it would just be called a signing bonus instead of salary. Players don't care what you call it, they just want the money. He'll renegotiate, the cap number will come down from the $7.0 million, and we'll be happily ever after.

He's going nowhere, take it to the bank. CC, can I get an amen?

CrazyCanuck · 11-14-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm sorry I was in meetings all day, I could have squashed this nonsensical Portis discussion a lot sooner.

Portis is scheduled to hit our cap for $7.0 million in 2007. If we cut him or trade him, he'll hit $8.1 million. There's no way we release a still very productive Portis, age 26, AND take an incremental cap hit for doing so. The only way we'd get rid of him is if we actually saved (A LOT of) money, which we wouldn't.

Portis will not object to renegotiation. The 'Skins have structured their contracts in such a way to simply convert roster bonuses and base salaries into new signing bonuses. Portis would still get the cash his contract says he's supposed to get in '07; it would just be called a signing bonus instead of salary. Players don't care what you call it, they just want the money. He'll renegotiate, the cap number will come down from the $7.0 million, and we'll be happily ever after.

He's going nowhere, take it to the bank. CC, can I get an amen?

Amen bro, amen.

Portis has a huge release fee, plus we can restructure up to $4.5M of his 2007 cap hit. This would save us around $3.5M making trading him even less attractive.

PWNED · 11-14-2006, 02:58 PM

and then we use this to sign nate clements. to be totally honest id want us to sign freeney (since finding a DE in the draft is such a huge crap shoot) and THEN find another CB in the draft.

PWNED · 11-14-2006, 04:09 PM

are you the douchebag specialist for this site?

11-14-2006, 09:30 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings Portis isn't going anywhere. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-14-2006, 09:36 AM	#6
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings my cut list: Mark Brunell - $2.33 m Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m John Hall - $1.5 m Todd Collins - $1.25 m Christian Fauria - $1.0 m Mike Rumph - $1.0 m Joe Salave'a - $710K Nick Novak - $435K Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut (pride will make him work something out) David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut we prob won't cut both backup QBs...and i don't mind tossing one of our overpaid lineman- trade for picks? __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

11-14-2006, 10:04 AM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings What?! This is crazy talk. Portis will be back next year and be fine. I think it would be even better if we can get a great tackle in the draft as well. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-14-2006, 10:22 AM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings Portis has been banged up but I guarantee that his stock around the league would still be pretty high if he became available. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-14-2006, 12:25 PM	#10
RiggoRules Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 380	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings There is one more option regarding #8. He does the honorable thing and retires. If he does that, the cap savings would be even greater. There is no point to keep Collins or Brunnell around. Vincent is an absolute keeper. Give Arch another year and then deal with it. Portis has had two freak injuries -- they do not show he is injury prone and he isn't going anywhere. Please lay off the crystal meth and remove the couch from in front of your trailer. __________________ *"Lighten up, Sandy Baby."*

11-14-2006, 10:12 AM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings It doesn't matter who got tackled by Dawkins. It's not like he has a pussy hand that wouldn't have gotten broken if it was anyone else. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-14-2006, 01:36 PM	#11
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings Portis may command lots of $ but that doesnt mean anyone will pay it. They did sign those backs to big contracts but not without lots of hand wringing and soul searching. I just dont think teams need high $ backs to be very successful. Look at Indy, Chicago, NE, Balt, Denver. They all have decent backs but none of those backs are household names or mega $ contracts.

11-14-2006, 02:56 PM	#12
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings I'm sorry I was in meetings all day, I could have squashed this nonsensical Portis discussion a lot sooner. Portis is scheduled to hit our cap for $7.0 million in 2007. If we cut him or trade him, he'll hit $8.1 million. There's no way we release a still very productive Portis, age 26, AND take an incremental cap hit for doing so. The only way we'd get rid of him is if we actually saved (A LOT of) money, which we wouldn't. Portis will not object to renegotiation. The 'Skins have structured their contracts in such a way to simply convert roster bonuses and base salaries into new signing bonuses. Portis would still get the cash his contract says he's supposed to get in '07; it would just be called a signing bonus instead of salary. Players don't care what you call it, they just want the money. He'll renegotiate, the cap number will come down from the $7.0 million, and we'll be happily ever after. He's going nowhere, take it to the bank. CC, can I get an amen? __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

11-14-2006, 02:58 PM	#14
PWNED The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ZOMGZZZ!!111 Age: 33 Posts: 1,160	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings and then we use this to sign nate clements. to be totally honest id want us to sign freeney (since finding a DE in the draft is such a huge crap shoot) and THEN find another CB in the draft. __________________ 143 lbs of twisted steel and sex appeal.

11-14-2006, 04:09 PM	#15
PWNED The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ZOMGZZZ!!111 Age: 33 Posts: 1,160	Re: Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings are you the douchebag specialist for this site? __________________ 143 lbs of twisted steel and sex appeal.

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