Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

In our defensive system, we don't want DEs who are purely pass rushers. Guys like KGB or Derrick Burgess are not what Gregg Williams wants. It's more important that they play the run well; if they can rush the passer on top of it, then that's gravy.

Grilliams likes to stop the run on first down and force teams into 2nd & longs & 3rd & longs. Then with a stud secondary to limit QB's options, he can feel free to blitz LBs all day long.

His system means the following:
Priority 1: Shut-down secondary (that's intimidating and hard hitting in run support).
Priority 2: Run-stopping D-Line.
Priority 3: Flexibility at the LB position (they should be able to drop into coverage, tackle well, and blitz their ass off).

Conclusions:
Wynn, Daniels, and Carter are good ends for our system, especially with Carter coming on as of late. Daniels is stout against the run, but he's not fully healthy right now. We don't want a DE.

We are in desperate need of a CB to help shut down WRs. Springs is old, Rogers does not look like a budding #1 at this point, and Kenny Wright is old and marginal.

We are also in desperate need of a SS. Adam Archuleta was a dismal failure and he's never going to be good enough in coverage. He's only useful in spot blitz duty. We must admit that we need to address SS badly. The SS must cover well, communicate well with Taylor, and hit like a ton of bricks.

We need a DT pretty bad. Griffin is still stout, but Golston is undersized. Golston makes quick pass-rushing moves, but does not clog the middle well enough.

We could use an upgrade at LB, but it's not the biggest priority.

My simple answer is CB.

Why is Greg Williams not taking more heat for letting Ryan Clark and Walt Harris go? AA was a total bust and now we're back to square one. I still really think Springs is our best corner all around. Did anyone see the way he shut down Steve Smith??? The only TD was the most lucky throw and catch I've ever seen. Not sure what the heck is up with Rogers hands. If you all remember he dropped a sure INT against the Seahawks in the playoffs last year that may have put them away for good. What happened to that D who knocked Alexander unconscious and beat the crap out the the Seahawks???????

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

Why is Greg Williams not taking more heat for letting Ryan Clark and Walt Harris go? AA was a total bust and now we're back to square one. I still really think Springs is our best corner all around. Did anyone see the way he shut down Steve Smith??? The only TD was the most lucky throw and catch I've ever seen. Not sure what the heck is up with Rogers hands. If you all remember he dropped a sure INT against the Seahawks in the playoffs last year that may have put them away for good. What happened to that D who knocked Alexander unconscious and beat the crap out the the Seahawks???????

Well, if memory serves me correctly, LaVar put that pop on Alexander.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, if memory serves me correctly, LaVar put that pop on Alexander.

He got gang tackled......something we don't see much of anymore. Ask the Giants if Lavar was worth the money? Gibbs does not accept egos that think they're bigger than the team. I'm glad he's gone. Once we all loved him, those days are long gone bro!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

Why is Greg Williams not taking more heat for letting Ryan Clark and Walt Harris go? AA was a total bust and now we're back to square one. I still really think Springs is our best corner all around. Did anyone see the way he shut down Steve Smith??? The only TD was the most lucky throw and catch I've ever seen. Not sure what the heck is up with Rogers hands. If you all remember he dropped a sure INT against the Seahawks in the playoffs last year that may have put them away for good. What happened to that D who knocked Alexander unconscious and beat the crap out the the Seahawks???????

I never understood why we let Ryan Clark leave, I thought he worked real well with ST. Harris I could understand, he was getting toasted for us in 2005, Rogers stepped in for him and played well. Nobody could see Walt Harris coming back like he has.

Springs didn't really shut down Steve Smith all by his lonesome. On most plays we put ST over the top of Smith, doubling him. But yeah, Springs is still a good CB. It's just that he's old and isn't going to get any better. We need a young'n to come in and be THE GUY once Springs leaves, because I don't think Rogers is a #1. He's a good #2.

My assessment of the D is this basically:

Springs got hurt, Rogers regressed a bit, and Wright was marginal at filling in. This was compounded by the awful Archuleta signing. He can't cover at all, and Taylor was lost with him in there. The CBs had a bit of trouble, and the safeties weren't there to help them out.

Without a secondary, Grilliams had no confidence in them and consequently basically stopped blitzing. Plus, Salave'a hasn't been as good at stopping the run this season, and Golston is undersized, so opposing RBs are getting 4 yards on 1st down relatively easily.

Our LB corps is fine, IMO. If we secure the secondary and shore up the D-line at the DT position, we'll have what it takes to stop the run on first down and then blitz from 2nd and 3rd & longs.

Golston was a nice find, but he shouldn't be more than a rotation guy. We need a shut down CB, a jack-of-all-trades SS, and a hole-clogging DT.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We need a shut down CB, a jack-of-all-trades SS, and a hole-clogging DT.

Well, we're only a million under the cap, and the shopping list you just presented works out to.... hold on, let me crunch the numbers.... 21 million... no problem, fire up Redskin One and let's get going.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dgack

Well, we're only a million under the cap, and the shopping list you just presented works out to.... hold on, let me crunch the numbers.... 21 million... no problem, fire up Redskin One and let's get going.

OK well those numbers are just blatantly wrong. We're currently 5 million under the cap, we can easily shed $5 million by cutting guys like John Hall and clearing TJ Duckett's voidable season off our 2007 numbers, and there is about $20-$25 million in base salaries that can/will be restructured to free up cap space.

We should have $10-$15 million in space, at minimum, to work with this offseason. Hell, we could even cut Archuleta, absorb the huge cap hit, and still grab a free agent or two.

And there's no way three players will take up $21 million in cap space. ARE, Carter, Lloyd, and Archuleta combined to take up $6 million in cap space in 2006.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I never understood why we let Ryan Clark leave, I thought he worked real well with ST. Harris I could understand, he was getting toasted for us in 2005, Rogers stepped in for him and played well. Nobody could see Walt Harris coming back like he has.

Springs didn't really shut down Steve Smith all by his lonesome. On most plays we put ST over the top of Smith, doubling him. But yeah, Springs is still a good CB. It's just that he's old and isn't going to get any better. We need a young'n to come in and be THE GUY once Springs leaves, because I don't think Rogers is a #1. He's a good #2.

My assessment of the D is this basically:

Springs got hurt, Rogers regressed a bit, and Wright was marginal at filling in. This was compounded by the awful Archuleta signing. He can't cover at all, and Taylor was lost with him in there. The CBs had a bit of trouble, and the safeties weren't there to help them out.

Without a secondary, Grilliams had no confidence in them and consequently basically stopped blitzing. Plus, Salave'a hasn't been as good at stopping the run this season, and Golston is undersized, so opposing RBs are getting 4 yards on 1st down relatively easily.

Our LB corps is fine, IMO. If we secure the secondary and shore up the D-line at the DT position, we'll have what it takes to stop the run on first down and then blitz from 2nd and 3rd & longs.

Golston was a nice find, but he shouldn't be more than a rotation guy. We need a shut down CB, a jack-of-all-trades SS, and a hole-clogging DT.

Good point on Harris. Its easy to complain now that he's doing so well on the 49ers. I'm going to give Springs more credit than most though. He's a tough Gibbs guy who has that veteran leadership we desperately need next year. Springs # 1, Rogers # 2, Taylor FS, SS ????????

Washington OLB Rocky MLB Briggs or Marshall OLB

Carter DE Griffin DT Golston DT / Free Agent DT Daniels / Wynn DE

How does this look guys?? Maybe draft a SS or CB in the 1st round????

I think if our Defense was like Gibbs year 1 or year 2 we would be right in the thick of this playoff hunt. Our offense is coming along and has no personel problems in my view. Keep them all!!!!! HOPE JC can stop the bonehead plays, that's what rookies do I guess.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

In our defensive system, we don't want DEs who are purely pass rushers. Guys like KGB or Derrick Burgess are not what Gregg Williams wants. It's more important that they play the run well; if they can rush the passer on top of it, then that's gravy.

Grilliams likes to stop the run on first down and force teams into 2nd & longs & 3rd & longs. Then with a stud secondary to limit QB's options, he can feel free to blitz LBs all day long.

His system means the following:
Priority 1: Shut-down secondary (that's intimidating and hard hitting in run support).
Priority 2: Run-stopping D-Line.
Priority 3: Flexibility at the LB position (they should be able to drop into coverage, tackle well, and blitz their ass off).

Conclusions:
Wynn, Daniels, and Carter are good ends for our system, especially with Carter coming on as of late. Daniels is stout against the run, but he's not fully healthy right now. We don't want a DE.

We are in desperate need of a CB to help shut down WRs. Springs is old, Rogers does not look like a budding #1 at this point, and Kenny Wright is old and marginal.

We are also in desperate need of a SS. Adam Archuleta was a dismal failure and he's never going to be good enough in coverage. He's only useful in spot blitz duty. We must admit that we need to address SS badly. The SS must cover well, communicate well with Taylor, and hit like a ton of bricks.

We need a DT pretty bad. Griffin is still stout, but Golston is undersized. Golston makes quick pass-rushing moves, but does not clog the middle well enough.

We could use an upgrade at LB, but it's not the biggest priority.

My simple answer is CB.

You bring up some pretty good points. But I think if you had to choose between a raw corner and a raw DE, I'll take the DE all day long.

The learning curve is steeper at corner for new comers in the NFL. Which begs to question, if we go after a seasoned corner in FA, how much younger will he be than Springs?

[The Zimmermans]

portis might have broken one of those runs for 6

[Schneed10]

A big ass DT would clog up the line of scrimmage. You remember in 2000 when Tony Siragusa was with the Ravens? He would clog up the line so bad, it freed Ray Lewis up to have an AMAZING season. Our LBs are getting taken out of the equation because we don't have the DTs this year.

Salave'a was very stout against the run in 2004 and 2005. Our LBs like Washington and Marshall were able to flow to the ball. But Salave'a's legs have been hurt this year, and Golston can't clog the line well enough, he weighs less than 300 lbs.

Put a big ass DT on that line, and all of a sudden we'll all be saying "hey, Marcus Washington is good again!"

Marcus is still the same player. He didn't suddenly forget how to play football. Just got to give him help up front.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

A big ass DT would clog up the line of scrimmage. You remember in 2000 when Tony Siragusa was with the Ravens? He would clog up the line so bad, it freed Ray Lewis up to have an AMAZING season. Our LBs are getting taken out of the equation because we don't have the DTs this year.

Salave'a was very stout against the run in 2004 and 2005. Our LBs like Washington and Marshall were able to flow to the ball. But Salave'a's legs have been hurt this year, and Golston can't clog the line well enough, he weighs less than 300 lbs.

Put a big ass DT on that line, and all of a sudden we'll all be saying "hey, Marcus Washington is good again!"

Marcus is still the same player. He didn't suddenly forget how to play football. Just got to give him help up front.

Agreed, and over the last two days, you've changed by opinion from "we need to draft a DE" to "we need to draft a DT." I still believe that we need to inject some youth at the DE position, but anchoring DEs can be found on the draft's second day. Also, we are pretty much stuck with Carter at the RE now and IMO he doesnt really fit in to Grilliams' scheme, although he can be a decent player for us for years.

I think we should scour free agency for a shutdown corner, but if we don't find one, we might as well stick with what we have. Sure it's risky to look the thing that killed you this season right in the eye and say that it can't screw you two years in a row, but if Nate Clements slips through our fingers, who are we going to bring in that would be an upgrade to Shawn Springs?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Agreed, and over the last two days, you've changed by opinion from "we need to draft a DE" to "we need to draft a DT." I still believe that we need to inject some youth at the DE position, but anchoring DEs can be found on the draft's second day. Also, we are pretty much stuck with Carter at the RE now and IMO he doesnt really fit in to Grilliams' scheme, although he can be a decent player for us for years.

I think we should scour free agency for a shutdown corner, but if we don't find one, we might as well stick with what we have. Sure it's risky to look the thing that killed you this season right in the eye and say that it can't screw you two years in a row, but if Nate Clements slips through our fingers, who are we going to bring in that would be an upgrade to Shawn Springs?

Clements is the only guy in free agency that would be worth pursuing. He fits Grilliams' style, big and physical.

I'm thinking we've got to draft a DT or a CB with our real high pick (or trade it down and try to get both).

[hail_2_da_skins]

Lets look at what the Redskins have difficulty doing on defense and that will tell you what their biggest need is. The Redskins do not put pressure on the opposing quarterback with their front four. Usually the only time they get to the quarterback is by blitzing linebackers, safeties or corners. No pressure on the quarterback allows the quarterback time to pick out receivers and allows receivers to run complex patterns putting extreme pressure on your secondary. With a pass rush, the secondary doesn't have to cover as well and it forces the quarterback to make hasty decision, i.e. throw interceptions. Oh...that leads to the second biggest problem with the defense, lack of turnovers. No pass rush, no sacks and fumbles, no rushed throws and interceptions. It keeps coming back to putting pressure on the quarterback with your front four, the good teams do it. The Redskins have not had an impact defensive end in years...over ten years. They need a Julius Peppers or Shawn Merriman bad, two years ago.

[Longtimefan]

I think DE who can really get after the passer. To me that's been a glaring weakness for a long time. More pressure up front can make an average DB look a lot better.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I think DE who can really get after the passer. To me that's been a glaring weakness for a long time. More pressure up front can make an average DB look a lot better.

Here's the problem with that. We already have Andre Carter who has great physical pass rushing skills. So espicially in GW's defense, the LE has to be able to anchor the run. If we can find a guy who can anchor the run and rush the passer and do both as well as anyone in the league, I'd love to have him, but I'm not sure such player exists.