Clinton Portis over Ladell Betts is a no brainer

[onlydarksets]

I think you guys are arguing over semantics. Betts blew a chance for the win, but he wasn't responsible for us losing the game. You really can't argue the first - he screwed up by not putting both hands on the ball. If he had had both hands on the ball and the defender still got it out, then I would say that Betts did everything he could have. However, he didn't cover up the ball when he felt contact, and that's basic skills in that situation (tied, driving for win). CP doesn't cough that one up, IMO.

That said, I agree that Betts didn't "cost us the game" in the greater sense. That's on the D.

[MTK]

Portis over Betts was a no-brainer from the start.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Once again. Dgack you can argue how many yards were put up and everything else. It was a good strip blah blah blah.

Here is the bottom line. The team was in a position to win the game. Betts had the ball and knows that someone is going to try and strip the ball (that is no secret). He didn't make the play.


I AM TIRED OF EXCUSES. When you have a chance to seal the game, do it. It is that simple. Make the play.

Our team has been deficient in making plays this year that is why they are 5-10.

I don't care if the D gave up 6000 yards. If there are 2:00 left in the game and you have just broken into the secondary, hold onto the ball.

By the way, Taylor was embarrassed yesterday, that is fine. He also won three games for us this year. Without him, we are 2-13 and probably the most disappointing team of all time.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Once again. Dgack you can argue how many yards were put up and everything else. It was a good strip blah blah blah.

Here is the bottom line. The team was in a position to win the game. Betts had the ball and knows that someone is going to try and strip the ball (that is no secret). He didn't make the play.


I AM TIRED OF EXCUSES. When you have a chance to seal the game, do it. It is that simple. Make the play.

Our team has been deficient in making plays this year that is why they are 5-10.

I don't care if the D gave up 6000 yards. If there are 2:00 left in the game and you have just broken into the secondary, hold onto the ball.

By the way, Taylor was embarrassed yesterday, that is fine. He also won three games for us this year. Without him, we are 2-13 and probably the most disappointing team of all time.

In the same argument that you said we lost because of Betts...you gave Taylor a get out of jail free card for giving up 3 touchdowns... Not sure how that works. If Betts doesnt fumble, and then we miss the field goal, is it the kickers fault we lost and still not the defense?

What about the defense in overtime when they let them score a TD?

my opininion is its a team sport, the whole team lost the game. you cant look at any one play because if another play had been different then that play might not matter. If we still have a two touchdown lead and were just running out the clock then it wouldnt have mattered that betts fumbled.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

In the same argument that you said we lost because of Betts...you gave Taylor a get out of jail free card for giving up 3 touchdowns... Not sure how that works. If Betts doesnt fumble, and then we miss the field goal, is it the kickers fault we lost and still not the defense?

What about the defense in overtime when they let them score a TD?

my opininion is its a team sport, the whole team lost the game. you cant look at any one play because if another play had been different then that play might not matter. If we still have a two touchdown lead and were just running out the clock then it wouldnt have mattered that betts fumbled.

i agree, the skins lost because they did not score as many points as the rams. one play does not win or lose a game, especially not a high scoring game.

looking at it from the rams side, i don't think that strip on betts won them the game, i would say steven jackson,issac bruce and mark bulger dominating our defense had more to do with it.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i agree, the skins lost because they did not score as many points as the rams. one play does not win or lose a game, especially not a high scoring game.

looking at it from the rams side, i don't think that strip on betts won them the game, i would say steven jackson,issac bruce and mark bulger dominating our defense had more to do with it.

I'd agree, if I'm the Rams, I don't feel like the strip won the game. However, if I'm in their shoes, it damn sure saved it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

In the same argument that you said we lost because of Betts...you gave Taylor a get out of jail free card for giving up 3 touchdowns... Not sure how that works. If Betts doesnt fumble, and then we miss the field goal, is it the kickers fault we lost and still not the defense?

What about the defense in overtime when they let them score a TD?

my opininion is its a team sport, the whole team lost the game. you cant look at any one play because if another play had been different then that play might not matter. If we still have a two touchdown lead and were just running out the clock then it wouldnt have mattered that betts fumbled.

Bingo! Some people can't see the forest through the trees.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

In the same argument that you said we lost because of Betts...you gave Taylor a get out of jail free card for giving up 3 touchdowns... Not sure how that works. If Betts doesnt fumble, and then we miss the field goal, is it the kickers fault we lost and still not the defense?

What about the defense in overtime when they let them score a TD?

my opininion is its a team sport, the whole team lost the game. you cant look at any one play because if another play had been different then that play might not matter. If we still have a two touchdown lead and were just running out the clock then it wouldnt have mattered that betts fumbled.

Taylor gave up 3 tds?

The last time I checked, when a runningback gets the ball, you expect a lineman or linebacker to make the tackle. To blame a safety on a run or screen doesn't make sense to me.

He blew the tackles, no doubt. But when a back has the ball the safety shouldn't even be in the play.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Taylor gave up 3 tds?

The last time I checked, when a runningback gets the ball, you expect a lineman or linebacker to make the tackle. To blame a safety on a run or screen doesn't make sense to me.

He blew the tackles, no doubt. But when a back has the ball the safety shouldn't even be in the play.

Taylor didn't give up 3 TD's the same way that Betts' fumble didn't give the game to the Rams. But his failure to make a play and prevent the TD's DID contribute to us losing the game in the same way that Ladell's fumble did (by your own logic).

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by dgack

Taylor didn't give up 3 TD's the same way that Betts' fumble didn't give the game to the Rams. But his failure to make a play and prevent the TD's DID contribute to us losing the game in the same way that Ladell's fumble did (by your own logic).

Sounds like pretty solid logic to me. Had the defense been able to stop the Rams, our offense's 31 points would have won us the game. Had Betts held onto the ball we almost certainly have been able to win the game and run out the clock. Taylor and the defense contributed, in a big way, to our loss. But, so too did Betts' fumble deep in Rams' territory in the late 4th quarter.

Unlike the defense, Betts had a solid game up until the end of the game. However, you can't simply ignore his fumble at a very, very crucial point in the game.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Once again. Dgack you can argue how many yards were put up and everything else. It was a good strip blah blah blah.

Here is the bottom line. The team was in a position to win the game. Betts had the ball and knows that someone is going to try and strip the ball (that is no secret). He didn't make the play.


I AM TIRED OF EXCUSES. When you have a chance to seal the game, do it. It is that simple. Make the play.

Our team has been deficient in making plays this year that is why they are 5-10.

I don't care if the D gave up 6000 yards. If there are 2:00 left in the game and you have just broken into the secondary, hold onto the ball.

By the way, Taylor was embarrassed yesterday, that is fine. He also won three games for us this year. Without him, we are 2-13 and probably the most disappointing team of all time.

Oh , is that how it works ? taylor blows coverages all day < all year > , but he won us some games so its ok ? Guess he can spit on players , chase people around with guns , refuse to call his head coach , during HIS offseason ,,, but its ok ? When Portis lose three fumbles in NY , its not his fault when Moss head buts another player , its ok too ? Amazing how everyone is tired of excuses , except for the guys from the U ?? Maybe betts caused the fight between the U and FIA this year . Maybe Betts missed all those tackles and blew all those coverages ?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by budw38

Oh , is that how it works ? taylor blows coverages all day < all year > , but he won us some games so its ok ? Guess he can spit on players , chase people around with guns , refuse to call his head coach , during HIS offseason ,,, but its ok ? When Portis lose three fumbles in NY , its not his fault when Moss head buts another player , its ok too ? Amazing how everyone is tired of excuses , except for the guys from the U ?? Maybe betts caused the fight between the U and FIA this year . Maybe Betts missed all those tackles and blew all those coverages ?

When has Sean Taylor or Santana Moss ever made an excuse? And what does Taylor's offseason have to do with how he plays? He is the best player on the team. Portis is a primadonna but he runs like he is 250 so I give him a free pass.

You know why I like players from the U? They know how to play the game correctly and they hold eachother accountable, something that our coaches have forgotten how to do.

The next time you want to have a mindless rant, feel free to beat your head on the wall.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

And what does Taylor's offseason have to do with how he plays? He is the best player on the team.

He might have been last year, but sure as hell isn't this year.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by dgack

He might have been last year, but sure as hell isn't this year.

Who is?

[EternalEnigma21]

The fumble sucked. It didn't lose us the game, but he did blow a chance to win it. The D, however, was playing like crazy in the beginning. Losing Springs really hurt us. I know we gave up a lot of yards and points, but we were at least getting a little bit of pass rush on, which was nice to see.

Not having 2 of your best players on D at 2 different levels will really hurt you. I like seeng McIntosh in there, but definately not at the expense of Marcus Washington, our best LB by far... and Springs was having a great game until he got hurt...

Our Secondary is weak beyond springs. Sean Taylor is basically the only guy left out there. I've pretty much given up on Carlos Rogers, and I wouldn't even keep kenny wright on the f'ing practice squad. Ade Jimoh is a Special Teamer, but he played his ass off in there... they were just too much for us to stop.

They do have a hell of an offense when they're clicking, and our D is hurt and having a really bad year.

Portis is a superstar runningback for a reason.. betts never will be for the same reason... although he's been an amazing backup, I'll give him that...