Jansen's Future in Doubt?

SmootSmack · 01-29-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I would be surprised, but not shocked, if we let Jansen go. Anyone have his numbers?

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Schneed10 · 01-29-2007, 01:31 PM

Cutting Jansen as a prior-to-June 1st, save $2.65 million in 2007, with no dead-cap carrying over to 2008.

Cutting Jansen as a post-June 1st, save $4.2 million in 2007, with a $1.6 million dead-cap hit in 2008.

If they're asking him to simply restructure, he's not going to object because he'd still get what his contract says is coming to him. If they're asking him to extend the contract beyond 2008 (because that's the last year as it stands now), then maybe they're haggling.

Or, he'd certainly object if they're asking him to take a paycut. The question for him would be where can I make more money, on the open market or here in Washington with my salary reduced? He's scheduled to make $4.25 million in base salary in 2007. That could be what's going on here: the Skins might be trying to leverage him into taking a pay cut. The Skins might be saying dude, you won't get a better deal than what your current contract says. In fact, accept a $1 million pay cut, because you still won't get a better deal than that. Then he'd have a decision to make.

ALL SPECULATION. It very well could be that La Canfora has it all wrong, and that Jansen is going to just do a simple restructure, and there'll be no problem. Who knows. But he's definitely got me intrigued. Everyone keep their radar up on this issue, if you hear anything please post it, because I'd love to try to interpret what's going on.

GTripp0012 · 01-29-2007, 01:55 PM

I have a theroy that basically says that an offensive line can replace one guy a year with little to no dropoff. I'm not too worried about either Dockery or Jansen right now, but the front office has to make sure that we don't lose both of them. Thats basically like starting from scratch.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-29-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have a theroy that basically says that an offensive line can replace one guy a year with little to no dropoff. I'm not too worried about either Dockery or Jansen right now, but the front office has to make sure that we don't lose both of them. Thats basically like starting from scratch.

I agree with your theory. I'd like to see Dockery resigned, but I'd really like to see Jansen stay here. There are a lot of FA guards and decent guards can be drafted in later rounds (e.g., Dockery was a 3rd rounder), but there aren't many quality tackles in FA and good ones are hard to find past the 2nd round.

Although I was harsh about Jansen's performance last season, I am optimistic that he can recover. 31 years old is getting up there, but he's probably got 3-4 good seasons left in the tank, assuming he becomes and stays relatively healthy.

MTK · 01-29-2007, 02:03 PM

Wade was pretty solid from what we saw last year, we would have to re-sign him if Jansen is let go. There's gotta be more to Jansen's situation to bring this on. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-29-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wade was pretty solid from what we saw last year, we would have to re-sign him if Jansen is let go. There's gotta be more to Jansen's situation to bring this on. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

Yeah, Wade was pretty decent. I think he heard that he would like to start, so if Jansen goes he could be our man.

skinsfan69 · 01-30-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Yeah, Wade was pretty decent. I think he heard that he would like to start, so if Jansen goes he could be our man.

He played one game. Let's not get carried away here. Remember he was let go by the Texans.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-30-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He played one game. Let's not get carried away here. Remember he was let go by the Texans.

If Jansen goes (which is highly doubtful) Wade could end up being his replacement. We simply do not have the cap room to sign the 6th overall pick, Clements/Samuels, AND a great free agent RT. Besides, I do not know of any quality RTs on the market.

I didn't say the guy was great, I just said he could end up replacing Jansen were Jansen to be forced out.

Schneed10 · 01-30-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If Jansen goes (which is highly doubtful) Wade could end up being his replacement. We simply do not have the cap room to sign the 6th overall pick, Clements/Samuels, AND a great free agent RT. Besides, I do not know of any quality RTs on the market.

I didn't say the guy was great, I just said he could end up replacing Jansen were Jansen to be forced out.

We will have enough cap room to do all of that (if we want to), as long as we continue to restructure deals. Which definitely shouldn't be a problem.

GhettoDogAllStars · 01-29-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wade was pretty solid from what we saw last year, we would have to re-sign him if Jansen is let go. There's gotta be more to Jansen's situation to bring this on. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

Yep. Anyone looking for insight into Jansen's future should just focus on how the skins deal with Wade.

Daseal · 01-29-2007, 02:27 PM

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Yeah, Wade was pretty decent. I think he heard that he would like to start, so if Jansen goes he could be our man.

This is the Redskins. What RTs can we find that we can pay a ton for?

sportscurmudgeon · 01-29-2007, 04:28 PM

Here is when you start to worry about Jansen leaving or Dockery going elsewhere:

Stories start to appear in the Post and the Times and on Triple XXX Radio about how Jansen and/or Dockery is stubborn and/or not amenable to coaching and/or annoying to his teammates and/or has bad body odor.

That's what the Skins do when they are about to cut ties with players that have been around for a while; they trash them in the press to "soften the blow" for the fans. None of that has happened yet.

If it does, then you can look for the named player to be moving on...

Mc2guy · 01-29-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Here is when you start to worry about Jansen leaving or Dockery going elsewhere:

Stories start to appear in the Post and the Times and on Triple XXX Radio about how Jansen and/or Dockery is stubborn and/or not amenable to coaching and/or annoying to his teammates and/or has bad body odor.

That's what the Skins do when they are about to cut ties with players that have been around for a while; they trash them in the press to "soften the blow" for the fans. None of that has happened yet.

If it does, then you can look for the named player to be moving on...

That is funny, sad, and unfortunately true.

Buges would never trash his guys, but I can see an "unnamed source" starting to drop nuggets to the press about how certain guys aren't "character" guys, or how they aren't getting along with coaches. Nothing like some rumors about a guy being a bad "locker room presence" to soften their FA value.

skins009 · 01-29-2007, 06:18 PM

Jansen needs to restructure. His play has really declined the last couple of years. I think the skins may look to upgrade at RT.

djnemo65 · 01-29-2007, 08:36 PM

Yeah, Jansen is such a cool guy and interesting radio/tv personality that you can't help but root for him, but his play has suffered.

Still, the o-line was killing people the second half of the season. Bad year for the team, but they were dominant.

01-29-2007, 01:31 PM	#2
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Jansen's Future in Doubt? Cutting Jansen as a prior-to-June 1st, save $2.65 million in 2007, with no dead-cap carrying over to 2008. Cutting Jansen as a post-June 1st, save $4.2 million in 2007, with a $1.6 million dead-cap hit in 2008. If they're asking him to simply restructure, he's not going to object because he'd still get what his contract says is coming to him. If they're asking him to extend the contract beyond 2008 (because that's the last year as it stands now), then maybe they're haggling. Or, he'd certainly object if they're asking him to take a paycut. The question for him would be where can I make more money, on the open market or here in Washington with my salary reduced? He's scheduled to make $4.25 million in base salary in 2007. That could be what's going on here: the Skins might be trying to leverage him into taking a pay cut. The Skins might be saying dude, you won't get a better deal than what your current contract says. In fact, accept a $1 million pay cut, because you still won't get a better deal than that. Then he'd have a decision to make. ALL SPECULATION. It very well could be that La Canfora has it all wrong, and that Jansen is going to just do a simple restructure, and there'll be no problem. Who knows. But he's definitely got me intrigued. Everyone keep their radar up on this issue, if you hear anything please post it, because I'd love to try to interpret what's going on. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

01-29-2007, 01:55 PM	#3
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Jansen's Future in Doubt? I have a theroy that basically says that an offensive line can replace one guy a year with little to no dropoff. I'm not too worried about either Dockery or Jansen right now, but the front office has to make sure that we don't lose both of them. Thats basically like starting from scratch. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Jansen's Future in Doubt? Wade was pretty solid from what we saw last year, we would have to re-sign him if Jansen is let go. There's gotta be more to Jansen's situation to bring this on. Definitely something to keep an eye on. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-29-2007, 04:28 PM	#12
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Jansen's Future in Doubt? Here is when you start to worry about Jansen leaving or Dockery going elsewhere: Stories start to appear in the Post and the Times and on Triple XXX Radio about how Jansen and/or Dockery is stubborn and/or not amenable to coaching and/or annoying to his teammates and/or has bad body odor. That's what the Skins do when they are about to cut ties with players that have been around for a while; they trash them in the press to "soften the blow" for the fans. None of that has happened yet. If it does, then you can look for the named player to be moving on... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

01-29-2007, 06:18 PM	#14
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Re: Jansen's Future in Doubt? Jansen needs to restructure. His play has really declined the last couple of years. I think the skins may look to upgrade at RT.

01-29-2007, 08:36 PM	#15
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Jansen's Future in Doubt? Yeah, Jansen is such a cool guy and interesting radio/tv personality that you can't help but root for him, but his play has suffered. Still, the o-line was killing people the second half of the season. Bad year for the team, but they were dominant.

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