Legalize it!

[Monksdown]

I am concerned about the validity of the poll results. Don't you think that those in favor are instantly attracted to this thread. If you don't, you don't care. If you do, you do.

I wonder if that's the reason for the results.

Or I hope it's just that the skins fans are just ****ing cool.

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"are you cool man...."

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I didn't mean to say that everything that's bad should be legal or illegal. I meant to point out that a principled objection to the legalization of marijuana based on health care considerations, costs to society, and the belief that the government should decide such issues for the people is inconsistent with a republican principles and the notion that fast food should be legal, untaxed, etc.

[dmek25]

just say no to drugs

[RobH4413]

From Entrez PubMed

Saliva or "oral fluid" has been presented as an alternative matrix in the establishment of drug exposure. The noninvasive collection of a saliva sample, which is relatively easy to perform and can be achieved under close supervision, is one of the most important benefits in a driving under the influence situation. Moreover, the presence of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in oral fluid is a better indication of recent use than when the drug is detected in urine, so there is a higher probability that the subject is experiencing pharmacological effects at the time of sampling. At 3 check points organized by the Swiss police in Bern, 61 drivers were tested for the presence of drugs of abuse using the Drugwipe 5 device. In parallel, oral fluid was collected with the Intercept DOA Oral Specimen Collection device and tested by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) after methylation of THC (limit of quantitation 1 ng/mL). The Drugwipe device identified 1 exposed driver, but with GC-MS, 18 drivers tested positive. THC concentrations in the Intercept buffer ranged from 2.1 to 205.1 ng/mL. These concentrations represent about 1/2 to 1/3 the authentic THC concentrations in oral fluid because of the dilution by the blue liquid of the device. Two main limitations of oral fluid were 1. the amount of matrix collected is smaller when compared to urine and 2. the levels of drugs in urine are higher than in oral fluid. A current limitation of the use of this specimen for roadside testing is the absence of a suitable immunoassay that detects the parent compound in sufficiently low concentrations.

[Hog1]

Well boys, the subject has become to fragmented, and polluted to be easly solved by a "correct" answer. That having been said, I respectfully offer NO to the original question.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I know I'm guilty of going off on tangents sometimes, but let's try to stay on topic (even if this thread seems to be almost exhausted).

[Hog1]

I think the premise of Ben's quote is regarding a Govt that works. I view much of our Gov't as unworkable

[Hog1]

We as a society need to be taught to be self responsible. I feel like I go through life with no safety net, but there are many people that feel that the government is their safety net. That's not right. Those people will purposely fall into the net because it's the lazy way out.
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We SHOULD be taught to be self-responsible, but we are not. that's the point. That won't happen as long as the govt is willing to catch you when you fall

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

We SHOULD be taught to be self-responsible, but we are not. that's the point. That won't happen as long as the govt is willing to catch you when you fall

Absolutely, 100% agree!
I honestly feel the downfall of humans will be the fact that they have been allowed to be nonselfreliant. (is that a word?)
For as much as I bitch that people need to be self responsible, I know in my heart that people are lazy by nature and will not change. It saddens me to say it.
I feel if there was a politician with the gusto to take all those safety nets away, he would be met with so much resistance that it would be impossible to overcome, and we would likely see an assassination attempt.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Absolutely, 100% agree!
I honestly feel the downfall of humans will be the fact that they have been allowed to be nonselfreliant. (is that a word?)
For as much as I bitch that people need to be self responsible, I know in my heart that people are lazy by nature and will not change. It saddens me to say it.
I feel if there was a politician with the gusto to take all those safety nets away, he would be met with so much resistance that it would be impossible to overcome, and we would likely see an assassination attempt.

You the man..J

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

You the man..J

Thanks HOG1. It's nice to know I am not the only one that feels that way.
I know the people in Lee county feel that way since 80% or so are republican, but are the people in Collier county as dedicated to that premise as well?

(FYI- I travel to Fort Myers / Cape Coral twice a year, and I co-own a condo in Naples...in fact my mother is there right now.)

[Hog1]

I am guilty of generalizing a bit.
You can believe what you like regarding the weed, and your right to smoke it. The corrupt govt does not look at it like that, and will put your ass in the slam for it.....maybe

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am guilty of generalizing a bit.
You can believe what you like regarding the weed, and your right to smoke it. The corrupt govt does not look at it like that, and will put your ass in the slam for it.....maybe

Yeah, I know...but I don't deal and have a spotless record, not even a speeding ticket...so it would be a slap on the wrist at worst as a misdemeanor. But considering I don't have any contact with any dealer, and I do it privately with a friend that has no contact with any dealer, I doubt I would be in any danger. Also, I live next to a sheriff that LOVES the stuff, even though he has no clue that I dabble in it.

I also know, that is the slight risk I take, and if that means going to the slammer for it, I will blame no one but myself, cause I am a self responsible person!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yeah, I know...but I don't deal and have a spotless record, not even a speeding ticket...so it would be a slap on the wrist at worst as a misdemeanor. But considering I don't have any contact with any dealer, and I do it privately with a friend that has no contact with any dealer, I doubt I would be in any danger. Also, I live next to a sheriff that LOVES the stuff, even though he has no clue that I dabble in it.

I also know, that is the slight risk I take, and if that means going to the slammer for it, I will blame no one but myself, cause I am a self responsible person!

Unfortunatley, you and those like you are paying the price for those that are not.
On another note, years ago, I knew a cop that lived in a typical subdivision. He had a "faux" corn field in his backyard that hid a respectful Mary J field in the center, for his own use. He used to store the harvested "product" in tennis ball cans. At one time I counted how many he had. 176 FULL tennis ball cans of POT. What a trip

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Unfortunatley, you and those like you are paying the price for those that are not.
On another note, years ago, I knew a cop that lived in a typical subdivision. He had a "faux" corn field in his backyard that hid a respectful Mary J field in the center, for his own use. He used to store the harvested "product" in tennis ball cans. At one time I counted how many he had. 176 FULL tennis ball cans of POT. What a trip

176 FULL tennis cans? Jesus, that's enough to pacify Iraq.