Santana vs. Randy

[The Zimmermans]

07 randy = good
07 santana = bad

what else is there?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by gabe1984

There was a little debate going on about this in the Brady's Bedtime Buddies thread. I just want to bring this out in the open for everyone to discuss. Right now, which Moss would you rather have on the team, Santanna or Randy. I'm sayin Santanna.

1) Randy Moss is getting old, while Santanna is in the prime of his career.

2) Randy Moss is afraid to get hit, while Santanna constantly goes over the middle and takes shots. I have seen Randy Moss stop running routes before because he knew he was going to get hit. If you doubt me, watch the 2001 NFC Championship game when the Giants spanked Minnesota. He wouldn't even sacrifice his body in a big game.

3) Randy takes plays off, Sanatanna goes hard the entire game.

4) Randy has a huge ego and an attitude problem while Santanna just wants to win.

5) Randy does not have the YAC ability that Santanna has. While Randy may be a better deep ball threat, Santanna is no slouch there either. Brunell to Moss, TD! Brunell to Moss, TD! Does anyone remember that game?

While in the prime of his career Randy may have be better than Santanna, there is no way I'd rather have him on the Skins than Santanna right now.

this is a total homer reasoning.
Right now, yes Moss is older than Santana, and that may be the only logical reasoning not to have him over Santana. To say he's afraid to get hit, there are 100 of receivers that are gun shy going across the middle. That comes with the territory. Plus, Moss isn't an across the middle guy. His is a fly route, deep post, middle seam guy. He has never been an across the middle of the field receiver, that to me would not be using him to the best of his ability. He is big, tall and extremely fast. He was never known as a great route runner, but what he lacks in that area he makes up in the ability to go and get the ball better than just about any one in the NFL.

Randy may have taken plays off - to think he is the only one that does that is crazy. Santna plays hard no doubt - so maybe that is one area Santana may have an edge, but not by much.

Randy wants to win as well. He was in a bad situation in Oakland and wasn't happy. Players that are not happy, just dont produce. Prime example is Trotter. he wasn't happy here, played like crap but was a multiple probowler in philly. Smoot is another one. Santana was never that happy in NY and lets face it, he didn't light it up there either. He has had only 1 stellar year since joining washington. Randy has had several impactful years. Look what he is doing now, no one can cover the dude.

YAC - goes back to him not being an across the middle receiver. the majority of his routes are down field, or side line routes. The guy can flat out fly. he ran the 40 in 4.2 to 4.3 range in the offseason. If he had plays designed for YAC I am sure he would excel at it.

As much as i love Santana, he is not in the same league as Randy. Randy will more than likely go the hall when his career is over. Joining NE is definately going to help his numbers. And quite frankly if I had my choice I would take Randy right now over Santana. (that is if we get the happy, healthy Randy NE has gotten this year) Randy is was 31-32, he has 4 or 5 more years as a productive receiver. I would definately take him.

[WillH]

This is based on nothing but a gut feeling, but I think Santana is going to use his shitty performance thus far as motivation and will start looking super human again.

[irish]

Santana Moss is not even close to Randy Moss. Randy Moss catches everything near him and scores TDs. Santana's not quite there yet.

[VTSkins897]

here are my thoughts:

at first i sort of felt SM was maybe just outside the top 15. the more i read though, i do feel that he is maybe at the bottom of the top 10, but definitely in the top 15. however, he does need to prove something this year. he's had a year with JC who's got a great arm and they need to let the chemistry build, blah blah blah...

randy moss is the better WR overall however just based on numbers but who really cares? i like both mosses, but clearly ours better.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

santana moss is at best a top 10 wr. He always has some nagging injuries. And unfortually he droping alot of passes this year.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

only thing santana moss has in common with randy moss is the last name period.

[JigsawWill]

Are y'all serious?

Are y'all really comparing Santana Moss to Randy Moss?

hahahahahahaha

[MTRedskinsFan]

Once again, a Skins fan creates an embarassing debate. S. Moss isn't even half the receiver R. Moss is. Our Moss is inconsistent, injury-prone, and too small to be more than one-dimensional. As of this season Moss is becoming a liability on the field, so much so that Thrash, McCardell or Caldwell could all easily be starting over him.

R. Moss, like him or not, is one of the greatest receivers over the last two decades. He plays a huge roll in almost every game. Even if he is not catching a lot of passes like in the Dallas game he requires so much coverage that he gives other guys big opportunities. He will play a huge roll in NE winning the SB.

Meanwhile, our Moss requires little coverage since middle of last season because he is constantly "hurting" and has lousy hands.

[KLHJ2]

First of all, look at when this thread was started. Right after the Draft and well before training camp. The thesis was based on the previous performances of the 2 receivers over the past couple of years.

No one could have predicted that Santanna would fall off of his game this much. Furthermore, few predicted that Randy would actually return to his old form. It just goes to show you how much nobody really knows what they are talking about. Only time will tell what reality is. You may make a brilliant prediction today, but a horrible one tommorrow.

Bye the way, this thread is over 5 months old. This was a compelling debate at the time. Surely, we realize by now that this is currently a rediculous argument. No Kudos to whoever dug it back up.

[firstdown]

It funny how fast we throw players under the bus.

[Daseal]

sling sammy, there's a rumor going around that Fitz wants out of Arizona. The only reason he was drafted by Denny was because he knew him since he was a ball boy on the Minnesota sidelines. He is an excellent player no doubt, and if the cards were going to let go of him they'd want ridiculous compensation, but who knows -- fitz may free up sooner rather than later.

[The Zimmermans]

like drafting one, that didnt play for florida

[firstdown]

Moss is our man and I'm sticking by him. Moss this week for 100 yards and a TD.