Offensive Report Card (Bucs game)

CRT3 · 09-14-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

everyone in a gibbs offense blocks... i saw thrash coles and gardner all throwing down.

Were you at the game? If not, how are you able to see that when the TV cameras don't cover the whole field for a running play unless it is a long run. Did they actually pan to Thrash and show him blocking. If they did tell me when so I can rewind my tape and watch. Please do not make things up along the way. He quite frankly disapeared during the game. Not to say he is bad but was MIA.

That Guy · 09-14-2004, 04:58 PM

you umm.. caught the first play they replayed about 400 times right? or watched portis during the rest of the game when he was grinding? whats your problem man, jeez.

CRT3 · 09-14-2004, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

you umm.. caught the first play they replayed about 400 times right? or watched portis during the rest of the game when he was grinding? whats your problem man, jeez.

This is my whole point Thrash blocked real well for that 1st play. He was missing in action for the rest of the game. My problem is that you are making qoutes based on Lenny P's article with out really watching the WHOLE game. So if you want to quote like Lenny go to ESPN.com and join his forum there.

mizzo skins man · 09-14-2004, 05:21 PM

Running game was good. Center QB exchange was very dissapointing.

I thought that Coles was getting raped beyond the 5 yard no touch rule. If your going to say your going to start calling this type of penalty, Then call it on a consistant basis. I watched parts of nearly every game this last weekend, and I think that the NFL is full of sh*t. These receivers were being malled.

SKINSnCANES · 09-14-2004, 09:29 PM

We didnt put as many points on the board as we should, the defense kept us in the game. However, for as many times as the offense didnt get it done, they looked as a team the whole. Somethign we havent done in years. It was soooooooo nice to see everyone on the same page. when plays didnt work it was becuase they got stuffed, or teh defense read it correctly,b ut we still followed through with everythign the way it was supposed to be run.

monk81 · 09-14-2004, 09:30 PM

No jumping off sides for the Dirtbags.....With time the offense will be even better ....I'm sure we will see more of Cooley and a few wrinkles on play calling (and I don't mean on the coaching staff's faces

) , and I'm sure Burnell and the receivers will get better with more time together..........things are looking up! You can't argue with 148 yds rushing....although the mixups on the handoff were aggravating..............I gave 'em a B

That Guy · 09-15-2004, 06:05 AM

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This is my whole point Thrash blocked real well for that 1st play. He was missing in action for the rest of the game. My problem is that you are making qoutes based on Lenny P's article with out really watching the WHOLE game. So if you want to quote like Lenny go to ESPN.com and join his forum there.

except i wasn't quoting LP (who would?), the announcers at the game even said, "look at gardner and coles throwing blocks, everyone in a the gibbs system blocks." or something similiar on one of portis's runs. I'm glad you can tell me where i got my quotes from though

CRT3 · 09-15-2004, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

except i wasn't quoting LP (who would?), the announcers at the game even said, "look at gardner and coles throwing blocks, everyone in a the gibbs system blocks." or something similiar on one of portis's runs. I'm glad you can tell me where i got my quotes from though

Sorry for mistaken identity there guy. You did not quote Lenny P.

But Thrash was missing in action the whole game except for 1 play. IF we had better run blocking for the game I think you would have seen our avg. run be better then 3 yards a carry. Even Gibbs said the run blocking was not up to snuff. Since our recievers all block they are responsible to. Am I wrong

MTK · 09-15-2004, 09:34 AM

In regards to the WR's blocking, unless the system calls for the WR's to sit on their hands during running plays of course they were blocking. How well is the question since it's hard to see them off camera.

Coles, Gardner and Thrash are all good blockers for receivers, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say they did their jobs on sunday.

CRT3, you're asking how we saw the WR's blocking, well, how did you see them not blocking? If you were at the game please disregard my question.

That Guy · 09-15-2004, 09:54 AM

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But Thrash was missing in action the whole game except for 1 play. IF we had better run blocking for the game I think you would have seen our avg. run be better then 3 yards a carry. Even Gibbs said the run blocking was not up to snuff. Since our recievers all block they are responsible to. Am I wrong

nope, run blocking could definately be better, but our WRs i'd think are actually better blockers than what some other teams have... i didn't see much of thrash besides a couple early plays, but i did see a good number of gardner/coles blocking throughout.

CRT3 · 09-15-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

nope, run blocking could definately be better, but our WRs i'd think are actually better blockers than what some other teams have... i didn't see much of thrash besides a couple early plays, but i did see a good number of gardner/coles blocking throughout.

I agree that our WR's can be good blockers, Thrash has proven this in the past and Gardener with 1 year in Marty ball. Coles, well he played for Spurier here and we know he was always running routes in the fun and gun.

I was at the game and the WR's did lose plenty of blocks. They did there job most of the time but weren't able to sustain them. So that needs improvement which if you go back in this thread was my original point. Glad to see I actually convinced you in my arguement. Now if the Big C would acknowledge I would be happy.

That Guy · 09-15-2004, 02:13 PM

you didn't have to convince me of anything, seeing soo many 1 yard runs was enough to know we need better run blocking. I was just saying that our WRs were helping out... WR vs LB doesn't always work out though.

d151b · 09-15-2004, 05:32 PM

one thing you have to look at is if you take away Portis' 64 yard TD run, he only averaged 3 yards a carry.

JWsleep · 09-15-2004, 06:15 PM

We've beat the yards per carry thing to death on another string (maybe it's the one about Portis being a product of Denver's system). Portis gets big runs: that's one of the ways you gain 1500 yards a season.

Here's a question for you stat junkies: What were his yards per carry on the last two drives, when the Bucs knew we were gonna run EVERY PLAY? He picked up some huge 1st downs there, especially that one on 3rd down right before the 2 minute warning. H scored the crucial TD early, and basically won the game by running out the clock. What more is he supposed to do?

MTK · 09-15-2004, 08:41 PM

Good question JWsleep, let's take a look at his tough running at the end of the game to run down the clock:

Washington Redskins at 5:03
1-10-WAS 33 (5:03) 26-C.Portis right end to WAS 38 for 5 yards (26-D.Smith).
2-5-WAS 38 (4:16) 26-C.Portis right guard to WAS 39 for 1 yard (53-S.Quarles).
3-4-WAS 39 (3:37) 8-M.Brunell pass to 80-L.Coles to WAS 48 for 9 yards (25-B.Kelly). P11
PENALTY on TB-55-D.Brooks, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at WAS 48. X12
1-10-TB 37 (3:29) 26-C.Portis right tackle to TB 30 for 7 yards (53-S.Quarles).
2-3-TB 30 (2:45) 26-C.Portis left tackle to TB 28 for 2 yards (55-D.Brooks).
Timeout #2 by TB at 02:30.
3-1-TB 28 (2:30) 26-C.Portis right end to TB 22 for 6 yards (58-M.Cooper). R13
Two-Minute Warning
1-10-TB 22 (2:00) 26-C.Portis left tackle to TB 21 for 1 yard (92-A.McFarland).
Timeout #3 by TB at 01:55.
2-9-TB 21 (1:55) 26-C.Portis right tackle to TB 21 for no gain (94-G.Spires).
3-9-TB 21 (1:11) 26-C.Portis up the middle to TB 21 for no gain (92-A.McFarland).
PENALTY on TB-96-E.Wyms, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at TB 21 - No Play.
3-5-TB 17 (1:06) 46-L.Betts up the middle to TB 16 for 1 yard (53-S.Quarles).
Timeout #1 by WAS at 00:21.
4-4-TB 16 (:21) 10-J.Hall 34 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-71-E.Albright, Holder-19-T.Tupa.
TB 10 WAS 16, 10 plays, 51 yards, 2 penalties, 4:47 drive, 14:44 elapsed
10-J.Hall kicks 49 yards from WAS 30 to TB 21. 11-B.Schroeder to TB 34 for 13 yards (98-L.Marshall; 23-A.Jimoh).

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09-14-2004, 09:29 PM	#5
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	We didnt put as many points on the board as we should, the defense kept us in the game. However, for as many times as the offense didnt get it done, they looked as a team the whole. Somethign we havent done in years. It was soooooooo nice to see everyone on the same page. when plays didnt work it was becuase they got stuffed, or teh defense read it correctly,b ut we still followed through with everythign the way it was supposed to be run. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

09-15-2004, 06:15 PM	#14
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	We've beat the yards per carry thing to death on another string (maybe it's the one about Portis being a product of Denver's system). Portis gets big runs: that's one of the ways you gain 1500 yards a season. Here's a question for you stat junkies: What were his yards per carry on the last two drives, when the Bucs knew we were gonna run EVERY PLAY? He picked up some huge 1st downs there, especially that one on 3rd down right before the 2 minute warning. H scored the crucial TD early, and basically won the game by running out the clock. What more is he supposed to do? __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-14-2004, 04:58 PM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	you umm.. caught the first play they replayed about 400 times right? or watched portis during the rest of the game when he was grinding? whats your problem man, jeez.

09-14-2004, 05:21 PM	#4
mizzo skins man Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St. Joseph Missouri Age: 49 Posts: 83	Running game was good. Center QB exchange was very dissapointing. I thought that Coles was getting raped beyond the 5 yard no touch rule. If your going to say your going to start calling this type of penalty, Then call it on a consistant basis. I watched parts of nearly every game this last weekend, and I think that the NFL is full of sh*t. These receivers were being malled.

09-14-2004, 09:30 PM	#6
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	No jumping off sides for the Dirtbags.....With time the offense will be even better ....I'm sure we will see more of Cooley and a few wrinkles on play calling (and I don't mean on the coaching staff's faces ) , and I'm sure Burnell and the receivers will get better with more time together..........things are looking up! You can't argue with 148 yds rushing....although the mixups on the handoff were aggravating..............I gave 'em a B

09-15-2004, 09:34 AM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	In regards to the WR's blocking, unless the system calls for the WR's to sit on their hands during running plays of course they were blocking. How well is the question since it's hard to see them off camera. Coles, Gardner and Thrash are all good blockers for receivers, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say they did their jobs on sunday. CRT3, you're asking how we saw the WR's blocking, well, how did you see them not blocking? If you were at the game please disregard my question.

09-15-2004, 02:13 PM	#12
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	you didn't have to convince me of anything, seeing soo many 1 yard runs was enough to know we need better run blocking. I was just saying that our WRs were helping out... WR vs LB doesn't always work out though.

09-15-2004, 05:32 PM	#13
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	one thing you have to look at is if you take away Portis' 64 yard TD run, he only averaged 3 yards a carry.

09-15-2004, 08:41 PM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	Good question JWsleep, let's take a look at his tough running at the end of the game to run down the clock: Washington Redskins at 5:03 1-10-WAS 33 (5:03) 26-C.Portis right end to WAS 38 for 5 yards (26-D.Smith). 2-5-WAS 38 (4:16) 26-C.Portis right guard to WAS 39 for 1 yard (53-S.Quarles). 3-4-WAS 39 (3:37) 8-M.Brunell pass to 80-L.Coles to WAS 48 for 9 yards (25-B.Kelly). P11 PENALTY on TB-55-D.Brooks, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at WAS 48. X12 1-10-TB 37 (3:29) 26-C.Portis right tackle to TB 30 for 7 yards (53-S.Quarles). 2-3-TB 30 (2:45) 26-C.Portis left tackle to TB 28 for 2 yards (55-D.Brooks). Timeout #2 by TB at 02:30. 3-1-TB 28 (2:30) 26-C.Portis right end to TB 22 for 6 yards (58-M.Cooper). R13 Two-Minute Warning 1-10-TB 22 (2:00) 26-C.Portis left tackle to TB 21 for 1 yard (92-A.McFarland). Timeout #3 by TB at 01:55. 2-9-TB 21 (1:55) 26-C.Portis right tackle to TB 21 for no gain (94-G.Spires). 3-9-TB 21 (1:11) 26-C.Portis up the middle to TB 21 for no gain (92-A.McFarland). PENALTY on TB-96-E.Wyms, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at TB 21 - No Play. 3-5-TB 17 (1:06) 46-L.Betts up the middle to TB 16 for 1 yard (53-S.Quarles). Timeout #1 by WAS at 00:21. 4-4-TB 16 (:21) 10-J.Hall 34 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-71-E.Albright, Holder-19-T.Tupa. TB 10 WAS 16, 10 plays, 51 yards, 2 penalties, 4:47 drive, 14:44 elapsed 10-J.Hall kicks 49 yards from WAS 30 to TB 21. 11-B.Schroeder to TB 34 for 13 yards (98-L.Marshall; 23-A.Jimoh).

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