For those that want Ramsey traded or Hasselbeck to start:

[SkinsRock]

It was one game. We're 1-1. Joe Gibbs is the head coach. I have faith that they will get it together. Practically everyone said the D would probably have to carry the offense through the first part of the season, and everyone was right. Yes, it was a horrendous performance with 7 turnovers, but this will be a learning experience for this team and a HUGE motivation factor, especially going into Dallas week...not to mention for the rest of the season.
Ramsey will get better. Hopefully it will be as a back-up, with Brunell getting healthy this week. If not, Joe Gibbs and Co. are about 1,000 times better to prepare him that the previous regime. He has the talent and the smarts, he just needs more time and/or experience working in his first pro offense.
I agree with Matty, Hasselbeck is NOT the answer! If Brunell can't go, Ramsey is the next best bet. As I said above, he has the ability and I have faith in the staff to prepare him to play well.
Gardner will lose his spot, if not this week, then within the next few weeks. He just drops way too many passes. Gibbs will not stand for it, especially with the quality WR's like Thrash and McCants behind him. McCants needs to play. He is the big, strong clutch receiver that Gardner is supposed to be. As for a trade, it won't happen, but I bet Rod will be gone after the season.

[gibbsgirl]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

It was one game. We're 1-1. Joe Gibbs is the head coach. I have faith that they will get it together. Practically everyone said the D would probably have to carry the offense through the first part of the season, and everyone was right. Yes, it was a horrendous performance with 7 turnovers, but this will be a learning experience for this team and a HUGE motivation factor, especially going into Dallas week...not to mention for the rest of the season.
Ramsey will get better. Hopefully it will be as a back-up, with Brunell getting healthy this week. If not, Joe Gibbs and Co. are about 1,000 times better to prepare him that the previous regime. He has the talent and the smarts, he just needs more time and/or experience working in his first pro offense.

I don't know much about football and haven't seen as many games as any of your guys, but I do know that when I watch Ramsey play (especially last season and the little time he's played this season so far) I have never seen someone get sacked with the ball still in his hands OR get a delay of game as many times as he does. I almost feel sorry for him because I think that's how he was coached from Spurier. I think it's a shame because I'm sure he's very talented and smart, but just got his NFL career off to a bad start. I'm sure if he came in as a rookie this year and started his career under Gibbs, he'd be much better off in his future endeavors. My husband thinks that this whole week Gibbs was really emphasizing the mistakes he made and how to improve his playing and that he'll do good on Monday night. I think that no matter how much you tell him what to do differently, it doesn't matter. What matters is if he actually performs on Monday (and for the rest of the season, for that matter). I was the same way in school. I studied my tail off for tests, yet I still did poorly on the test. I sure do hope Brunell gets better soon!!!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I have serious doubts that either Ramsey or Gardner will ever develop into the type of players the team can rely upon. Neither is a rookie, though they both continue to play like one - particularly Ramsey.

Ramsey is turning into one of those players that initially looked so good (on paper), before he started playing, but was never able to translate that into success in the NFL. Shades of Heath Shuler!

Gardner is just disgusting - one good play and several bad ones. He will continue to cost this team in every game. He needs to ride the bench - start McCants or Thrash or anyone else but him. He has done this game after game after game. What does it take for the coaches to finally admit what we all see?

LadyT, Ramsey has only played 16 games in two years so in essence he is still a rookie.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

LadyT, Ramsey has only played 16 games in two years so in essence he is still a rookie.

In essence he is not a rookie. Rookie means first year. Not first bad year you get another chance because you're learning a new system. Ramsey has not matured. There is a criteria that all coaches have for their players and if you check off all of the negatives versus the postives , it doesn't look very good for Ramsey at all!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

In essence he is not a rookie. Rookie means first year. Not first bad year you get another chance because you're learning a new system. Ramsey has not matured. There is a criteria that all coaches have for their players and if you check off all of the negatives versus the postives , it doesn't look very good for Ramsey at all!

You really think the coaches are judging Ramsey by his performances last year with a team that couldn't protect him? After being coached by a college level coaching staff?

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

LadyT, Ramsey has only played 16 games in two years so in essence he is still a rookie.

True, he's only played 16 games and one could argue as to whether he's a rookie or not. To me, once you've played one season, you're no longer a rookie.

But that aside, the biggest concern I have is that I've seen no improvement from him, absolutely none. If anything he looks worse than he did 2 years ago, when he was a rookie, by anyone's definition.

He's making the same mistakes and making more of them. He looks totally unsure of himself and that feeling is communicated to the team, consciously or not.

To me, that is the real reason many of us are so concerned about his future as a starting QB. We've not seen any kind of progression from him, just a regression.

[SUNRA]

You're right the offense is at fault as a whole. The offense has given up 2 touchdowns already. The reverse play we ran yesterday was almost a fumble. Brunell almost threw the ball to Portis instead of handing it to him.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

You're right the offense is at fault as a whole. The offense has given up 2 touchdowns already. The reverse play we ran yesterday was almost a fumble. Brunell almost threw the ball to Portis instead of handing it to him.

Another play to point out:

When Brunell threw the INT to Fred Robbins.....if Brunell would've had some time to get that throw out that play would've been a huge gain. It was a fake reverse screen to Portis, and I swear we had them fooled for a while before Brunell got pressured.....

[JWsleep]

My goodness. One loss and we're tearing down the franchise? That's what got us into this mess! Stick with your folks, let Gibbs and Co. coach them FOR A FEW SEASONS and then see what you get. This is the second game. Have a little toughness. Stick with it!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

My goodness. One loss and we're tearing down the franchise? That's what got us into this mess! Stick with your folks, let Gibbs and Co. coach them FOR A FEW SEASONS and then see what you get. This is the second game. Have a little toughness. Stick with it!

:thumb:

Thanks JW.

[That Guy]

Meanwhile, let's circle the wagon and play Hasselbeck until Brunell is healthy. Hasselbeck can run an efficient offense with protection. I don't care if Hasselbeck isn't putting up big numbers his first game, just run a turnover free offense

you realize out of all our QBs, hasselbeck HAS THE HIGHEST INT %, it would be worse than either MB or PR, you really need to chill on your hating, its one bad game... TH has only had one decent showing against 3rd stringers, but besdies that, none of our QBs have looked very good, and he's looked the worst.

if hasselbeck goes in, it means our season is done.
TH had 2 ints in preseason (one in 17 throws), MB (one in 46) and PR (one in 58) had 1... last year, TH was the only one of our QBs to throw more ints than TDs last year... he isn't bad, but he is most definately not error proof.

[RedskinRat]

I think we should frame SUNRA's Ramsey comment to hand back to him when Ramsey lifts the Super Bowl trophy.

One game, we're all annoyed but that may serve as a reminder that the offense is a work in progress. Calm down, please.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I think we should frame SUNRA's Ramsey comment to hand back to him when Ramsey lifts the Super Bowl trophy.

One game, we're all annoyed but that may serve as a reminder that the offense is a work in progress. Calm down, please.

I hope you're right buddy. I hope you're right.

[jrocx69]

How many games did it take for terry bradshaw to come through for the steelers?? lets say 4 seasons. give ramsey a damn break. no loyalty with some of you all, its crazy. Pat just had to change a whole playbook, none the less play for Steve Shittier and take a freaking pounding. He's running on instincts that he learned since he came into the NFL. even if he sucks the rest of this season, give him a chance. 1 or 2 more seasons. The guy has heart, and he takes the blame, and as well, has a rocket arm. Gibbs will show him how to play in the NFL, but it does take time.

AND.... if gardner caught that touchdown pass that he dropped, would we hear as much complaints? NO

[memphisskin]

I missed the game, but judging from the posts I've read it was quite an unimpressive showing all the way around.

First, I guess this goes to show that Gibbs is not Mr. Quick Fix. We were 5-11 last season and while some of us seem to have the Answers (Trade Ramsey! Cut Brunell! Start Hasselbeck! Start McCants!), the question hasn't really ever been posed.

I've seen Hasselbeck play and I wasn't that impressed. Maybe he's a helluva qb, but after watching the Dallas game last season I don't ever want to see that guy touch the field as a starter again. I don't care if he played like Joe Montana after that, he was as inept as any qb I've ever seen in a Redskins uniform and that includes Jeff George when he was back there ducking and hiding after taking the snap.

Gibbs offense takes a while to come together, all you had to do is go back to his first tenure to get that. I don't know if I've ever seen a coach come in and install a new system and get immediate results. There's a reason that the defenses are ahead of the offenses early in the season, offense takes time. This isn't the rec league at your local Y, this is the NFL and you need continuity to be successful. We've got Chris "This Way Please" Samuels, Dockery, Coles, Rod "Was That For Me?" Gardner and Randy Thomas back from last season.
Go ahead and start calling for Hasselbeck and more Betts and McCants if you want. I'm with Gibbs. If he says Ramsey is the starter, then Ramsey is the guy who's going to go out and beat Dallas. If he says Hasselbeck is the guy, then he's the guy. But you don't win in the NFL by changing horses midstream. Hasselbeck is a cool third qb, but let's not get it twisted, he is most definitely not Tom Brady. Just thinking about Hasselbeck brings back memories of last year's Dallas game and :vomit-smi my bad.