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[MTK]

What happened 10-15 years ago really doesn't have any effect on this year though. It would be much more realistic to look at the past 2-3 years. In Gibbs 2.0 yes the team is below .500 overall, but on the positive end there also was a playoff appearance and a 10-6 season.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What happened 10-15 years ago really doesn't have any effect on this year though. It would be much more realistic to look at the past 2-3 years. In Gibbs 2.0 yes the team is below .500 overall, but on the positive end there also was a playoff appearance and a 10-6 season.

All I can say is I travel a lot for work and when the the conversation turns to football and I mention I am a Redskins fan people just laugh and shake thier head. None of these people work for the anti-redskin media or have any other anti-redskin bias but they are knowledgeable footall fans. They think for the past 15 years the redskins have been a joke and Gibbs 2.0 is just more of the same. The notion that the redskins are a contender or even a decent team is ridiculous to them. Hopefully they will be proven wrong soon.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

All I can say is I travel a lot for work and when the the conversation turns to football and I mention I am a Redskins fan people just laugh and shake thier head. None of these people work for the anti-redskin media or have any other anti-redskin bias but they are knowledgeable footall fans. They think for the past 15 years the redskins have been a joke and Gibbs 2.0 is just more of the same. The notion that the redskins are a contender or even a decent team is ridiculous to them. Hopefully they will be proven wrong soon.

C'mon that happens with everyone. Anytime someone mentions their favorite team to me unless it's the Skins I'll give them shit. Or unless it's the Patriots, but that's about the only team that's beyond poking fun at.

Even then, who cares about what happened 10 years ago? That was before Snyder even. It's irrelevant.

Whenever someone pokes fun at the Skins with me I'll say who's your team, and unless it's the Patriots or Colts the best response is yeah well when did your team win the SB last?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

C'mon that happens with everyone. Anytime someone mentions their favorite team to me unless it's the Skins I'll give them shit. Or unless it's the Patriots, but that's about the only team that's beyond poking fun at.

Even then, who cares about what happened 10 years ago? That was before Snyder even. It's irrelevant.

They were just who looks good who looks bad discussions not my team is great yours sucks trash talk. The bottom line is nobody thinks the redskins are a great organization anymore and they are seen a league patsys like NO & Ariz.

It is irrelevant to what might happen this year but not when looking at how the redskins are viewed as an organization.

[MTK]

I wouldn't mind being lumped with the Saints based on what they did last year. But I know you like the 15 year look so I guess that's out.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wouldn't mind being lumped with the Saints based on what they did last year. But I know you like the 15 year look so I guess that's out.

You are right, the skins now wish they are the saints and if this year goes bad may wish they are the cards. Both of those team look more promising than the skins this year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

You are right, the skins now wish they are the saints and if this year goes bad may wish they are the cards. Both of those team look more promising than the skins this year.

Why do you like the Cards this year?

What have they done in recent memory to make you think that?

They also have a young QB that you could call basically a rookie.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why do you like the Cards this year?

What have they done in recent memory to make you think that?

They also have a young QB that you could call basically a rookie.

I think Leinart is a good young QB with great receivers to throw to. I also like that the cards have what seems to be an easy schedule. The coaching staff is an upgrade that is young & hungry.

They do have prolems rushing and the D needs some help. I think their season will be very similar to the skins.

SF is going to be the team from that division.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I think Leinart is a good young QB with great receivers to throw to. I also like that the cards have what seems to be an easy schedule. The coaching staff is an upgrade that is young & hungry.

They do have prolems rushing and the D needs some help. I think their season will be very similar to the skins.

So you like the Cards and can see them having a similar season to the Skins, yet you don't seem to like the Skins? What gives?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by irish

I think Leinart is a good young QB with great receivers to throw to. I also like that the cards have what seems to be an easy schedule. The coaching staff is an upgrade that is young & hungry.

They do have prolems rushing and the D needs some help. I think their season will be very similar to the skins.

SF is going to be the team from that division.

So wait, you think the Cards will be good this year as well as the Skins?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wouldn't mind being lumped with the Saints based on what they did last year. But I know you like the 15 year look so I guess that's out.

You are missing the point - would you rather have a team like the Saints for example that make the playoffs once every 10-15 years - or a team that in that same 10-15 year span is competative and has winning seasons - may or maynot make the playoffs - but are expected to make the playoffs every year?

Personally - I'll take the team that is a consistant winner - expected to make playoffs every year than the team that blow everyone out of the water 1 year out of every 10

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You are missing the point - would you rather have a team like the Saints for example that make the playoffs once every 10-15 years - or a team that in that same 10-15 year span is competative and has winning seasons - may or maynot make the playoffs - but are expected to make the playoffs every year?

Personally - I'll take the team that is a consistant winner - expected to make playoffs every year than the team that blow everyone out of the water 1 year out of every 10

Actually you're missing my point. What's happened in the last 10-15 years doesn't have any effect on this season. That's my simple point, I don't see why we have to keep referring to the past when talking about what could happen this year. I doubt Saints fans are still crying about what happened in the distant past when talking about this upcoming season.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Actually you're missing my point. What's happened in the last 10-15 years doesn't have any effect on this season. That's my simple point, I don't see why we have to keep referring to the past when talking about what could happen this year. I doubt Saints fans are still crying about what happened in the distant past when talking about this upcoming season.

the past has nothing to do with what COULD happen this season, your right. Nor does the past (3 super bowls rings) keep us from the continous media ripping we get for overpaying players and continually losing every season. My point is this : everyone, well most everyone, wants to put us on a platform same with the top teams in the NFL. We do not deserve that, I hope you understand that. You cant go into a season without looking over the past few years. We use to get more positive hype than anyone in the NFL over the 1st 2 or 3 seasons of Danny (meaning picked to win) after the media see's that Danny has no clue what he doing, and we over pay, over pay for people and continue to lose, this is why we are constantly made to look like fools. I am just tired of hearing people say we deserve better, when in fact we dont.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

the past has nothing to do with what COULD happen this season, your right. Nor does the past (3 super bowls rings) keep us from the continous media ripping we get for overpaying players and continually losing every season. My point is this : everyone, well most everyone, wants to put us on a platform same with the top teams in the NFL. We do not deserve that, I hope you understand that. You cant go into a season without looking over the past few years. We use to get more positive hype than anyone in the NFL over the 1st 2 or 3 seasons of Danny (meaning picked to win) after the media see's that Danny has no clue what he doing, and we over pay, over pay for people and continue to lose, this is why we are constantly made to look like fools. I am just tired of hearing people say we deserve better, when in fact we dont.

I don't think any rational person thinks the Skins should be mentioned in the same breath with the Colts and Patriots of the NFL world, but there does seem to be a hint of media bias towards the Skins at times.

Some people out there like Lenny P. seems to go out of his way at times to take a swipe at the Redskins. I do believe that Snyder brings that upon the team and it's something we'll probably have to live with as long as he owns the team.

[edmor]

i think we should be around 15-18