Could Thrash Become #2 WR

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jermus22

While I doubt Thrash will bump Randle El from #2, don't be surprised to see him at #3 if Lloyd stinks up the joint. Unless Lloyd has a DRAMATIC turnaround, I think he'll be headed out the door next season (kind of like Taylor Jacobs).

I don't think you CAN put Thrash on the field and not have Randle El on it. That just seems like a bad allocation of offensive resources.

However, James Thrash is the second best wide receiver on this team, so in three receiver sets, he's got to be on the field.

It seems to me that whenever Lloyd is on the field, that we are allocating our resources poorly, or at least less than perfect.

Here's the offensive skill position players that should get more PT than Lloyd:

Moss
Cooley
Portis
Betts
Randle El
Sellers
Thrash

That's seven players who have value to this team. Assuming good health, which three players are going to be taken off the field to stick an underachiever on?

Do y'all really want Mike Sellers to play less so that Lloyd can play? Heck, if Tyler Ecker comes back healthy, at least he can block.

Until some injuries start to pile up, it makes sense to keep Lloyd inactive so that we don't cost hardworking players playing time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

On a side note, I'm giving all the receivers a pass from last year. EVERYONE'S production was down. Brunell basically would force the ball to Moss and Cooley and didn't look anywhere else.

Campbell if anything, likes to spread the ball around and I think that if we have all four receivers on the field at once, we can count on any one of those guys.

I really don't want to rehash the name Brunell (I keep vowing not to), but I remember "going all GTripp" last year and reviewing the distribution of receivers thrown to during Brunell's games vs Campbell's. The difference was minimum at best. In fact, I think Brunell had a higher number.

Anyhow, my point is that I think the receivers will do better this year, but I think that's just as much a product of being more accustomed to the system than anything else.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I really don't want to rehash the name Brunell (I keep vowing not to), but I remember "going all GTripp" last year and reviewing the distribution of receivers thrown to during Brunell's games vs Campbell's. The difference was minimum at best. In fact, I think Brunell had a higher number.

Anyhow, my point is that I think the receivers will do better this year, but I think that's just as much a product of being more accustomed to the system than anything else.

Speaking of going all GTripp, I was about to do something similar to TMC's post, but ultimately, though not necessarily based in fact, and while making an unneccessary Brunell comparison, his point about Campbell's passing aptitude is a good one.

Talking receivers, Moss had a bad year and will rebound. Lloyd probably won't play very much. I expect him to look like an NFL receiver when he does. Randle El will get more looks, and consequently more yards. The guy to watch out for is James Thrash.

[GusFrerotte]

Have to agree with Matty, he isn' going to move up the depth chart at all, with the exception the other guys get serious injuries. Thrash was was at the top of his game his last year with us the first go around and his first season with the Eagles. IF he hasn't cracked a top 3 spot he never will at this point.

[Skinny Tee]

He should be used more as our posession reciever. He seems to be able to make some great posession catches. We have a need for that in our offense.

If Corey Bradford makes the team he also might be used as such.

[chrisl13]

im sure he wont be a #2 receiver because i know that the Skins wouldnt pay a 4th stringer[Randle El, Brandon Lloyd] a 30 million dollar contract

[dall-assblows]

thrash always looks good in the scrimmages. i love thrash but there is no way, baring injury, that trash is #2

[Makers3245]

Trash is considered a great #3 - #4 WR. Because he is very easy to lose out there on the field, especially when on the same field as Moss and Randle El who have big play potential every time they tie up their cleats. Making him a good WR to look at when you need a Catch to move the chains, even more so because he is not afraid to absorb the big hit over the middle.

But no, no way is he a #2 starting caliber Wide Out.

[SmootSmack]

James Thrash is Ricky Proehl for Al Saunders. Not a starter, but clutch

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

James Thrash is Ricky Proehl for Al Saunders. Not a starter, but clutch

no way. Ricky Proehl could run. thrash has absolutely no speed. he is a good special teamer. no more, no less. if he gets on the field alot this season, it means one of 2 things. the skins are blowing someone out. or they are getting blown out

[mike340]

He must have lost a lot of speed then. As I've reported before Thrash ran a 4.2 40 in college. He took the mantle of fastest Redskin off of #28's shoulders. In comparison, I found
Coles: 4.29
Moss: 4.31
Champ Bailey: 4.42
That's one of the reasons he's a gunner.
Unless his legs are totally trashed I think he is terribly under-used. He almost never makes a bonehead play.
But I must be wrong since nobody ever responds to my posts about this.

Originally Posted by dmek25

no way. Ricky Proehl could run. thrash has absolutely no speed. he is a good special teamer. no more, no less. if he gets on the field alot this season, it means one of 2 things. the skins are blowing someone out. or they are getting blown out

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by mike340

He must have lost a lot of speed then. As I've reported before Thrash ran a 4.2 40 in college. He took the mantle of fastest Redskin off of #28's shoulders. In comparison, I found
Coles: 4.29
Moss: 4.31
Champ Bailey: 4.42
That's one of the reasons he's a gunner.
Unless his legs are totally trashed I think he is terribly under-used. He almost never makes a bonehead play.
But I must be wrong since nobody ever responds to my posts about this.

I like Thrash as well. He can be a good option on certain plays and situation but, no more. He cannot be a dependable #2 WR, IMO. Clutch? I guess you could say that. He had a few crucial plays in the last 2 years, a couple in Dallas games. Yet, IMO, I believe his is just still a career situational guy and special teamer.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

I like Thrash as well. He can be a good option on certain plays and situation but, no more. He cannot be a dependable #2 WR, IMO. Clutch? I guess you could say that. He had a few crucial plays in the last 2 years, a couple in Dallas games. Yet, IMO, I believe his is just still a career situational guy and special teamer.

It really does amaze me that we skins fans seem to always think our bench guys are super studs. We've already annointed HB Blades, and Starz. And others that have had a chance to prove themselves and didn't, ie: Thrash, Ramsey, etc. I love the positive vibes we give off for these guys, but we can be extremely unreasonable. Thrash as the #2??? That would be horrible for us.
In case you've missed it, with the exception of 2000 where he had 50 catches for 653 yards and only 2 td's for us, he has had a total of 58 catches for 779 yards in a Redskins uni in 6 years...plus a total of only 2 tds during that span! (97-99 and 04-06) Even after he signed that big contract in Phily, he still only produced a career high of 63 catches and 833 yards, and that was 6 years ago!!!
Trust me when I say, that if we need Thrash to be our #2, our season is over.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by mike340

He must have lost a lot of speed then. As I've reported before Thrash ran a 4.2 40 in college. He took the mantle of fastest Redskin off of #28's shoulders. In comparison, I found
Coles: 4.29
Moss: 4.31
Champ Bailey: 4.42
That's one of the reasons he's a gunner.
Unless his legs are totally trashed I think he is terribly under-used. He almost never makes a bonehead play.
But I must be wrong since nobody ever responds to my posts about this.

And check out that last giants game from last year. Thrash blew past everyone to catch that guy on the first fumble. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been faster than the fat boy running back the fumble, but look at how he comes flying past all the other Redskins from off the screen to get there. The guy still has plenty of speed. Especially for a #2/#3 receiver.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

no way. Ricky Proehl could run. thrash has absolutely no speed. he is a good special teamer. no more, no less. if he gets on the field alot this season, it means one of 2 things. the skins are blowing someone out. or they are getting blown out

What I meant was when Saunders was the receivers coach for the Rams, it was all about Holt, Bruce, Faulk, and Az-Hakim. Those were the main guys and the headline grabbers.

But in the clutch Warner could always count on Proehl. Thrash serves the same capacity. Not talking about style of play.