criticism of Brunell

MTK · 09-30-2004, 04:24 PM

alright fess up, who said he's washed up?

Let's hear your reasoning.

Winskins · 09-30-2004, 04:39 PM

In reference to the Portis call, now correct me if i'm wrong, but it appeared that a person made contact with Portis and then after that person's contact with Portis ended (w/o his knee ever touching the ground) THEN Portis's knee touched the ground. Now, I thought that the rule was that a player's knee can touch the ground as long as no one touches him while his knee is on the ground.

So what exactly is the rule?

Winskins · 09-30-2004, 04:42 PM

Brunnel, ever since we picked him up, reminds me of the veteran QB from Any Given Sunday. He is that pro that just knows exactly what he's doing and he knows how to lead the team. He may not be as physical a specimen as he was in his earlier years, but I think his mental growth has more than offset that.
Ramsey is a good quarterback, but he needs to sit back, learn, and watch a really smart QB go out there and make plays so that he can become a great QB.

Daseal · 09-30-2004, 05:17 PM

I don't think he's washed up, but I certainly don't believe he's worth the price we're paying. He's finally gotten something going and I'm happy to see it. He's going to teach Ramsey a lot.

JWsleep · 09-30-2004, 05:52 PM

I agree with the "Any Given Sunday" thing, winskins. I thought that a bit, too. But Ramsey is no Willie Beamen, for good or ill. And does that make Danny Snyder into Cameron Diaz? Ouch.

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 09-30-2004, 07:04 PM

i think brunnell has played very well this year,other than the 2 fumbled handoffs returned for tds.the receivers dropped a lot of passes they should have caught,and a lot of his incomplete passes were throwaways.i agree with gibbs,people need to chill off brunell.it's not like he threw 3 ints to wide open dbs is it?(i know one qb who did though.)

jdlea · 09-30-2004, 07:19 PM

He's done. He can't push the ball downfield anymore. He doesn't take chances unless the game is on the line and it takes like 10 mins to drive the ball with him on the field. I think he is washed up and I know he's not playing well this year. I have disappointed with everything I've seen from him this season. If he can keep up the last 5 mins of the Dallas game, I may sing a different tune, but for now, he's a 42 million dollar mistake.

Redskins_P · 10-01-2004, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

He's done. He can't push the ball downfield anymore. He doesn't take chances unless the game is on the line and it takes like 10 mins to drive the ball with him on the field. I think he is washed up and I know he's not playing well this year. I have disappointed with everything I've seen from him this season. If he can keep up the last 5 mins of the Dallas game, I may sing a different tune, but for now, he's a 42 million dollar mistake.

So your saying that a 92 yard drive isn't moving the ball downfield? Please! He took chances downfield, and he made some great throws. Too bad the receivers dropped about 5 or 6 of those passes.

I don't know what your seeing, but to me it looks like he's adjusting and getting better every week. Maybe you need to pay a little more attention to the positives......

Winskins · 10-01-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

So your saying that a 92 yard drive isn't moving the ball downfield? Please! He took chances downfield, and he made some great throws. Too bad the receivers dropped about 5 or 6 of those passes.

I don't know what your seeing, but to me it looks like he's adjusting and getting better every week. Maybe you need to pay a little more attention to the positives......

I saw this to an extent, but I think when you get put under the pressure that Brunnel was put under during that game that you don't always have time to make all the reads. However, I think he did a pretty good job of getting the ball where it needed to be. I think sometimes Brunnel would get the ball in the right place and things just didn't seem to happen. Overall, I have to say that I think he ran our offense pretty effectively.

Winskins · 10-01-2004, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

I agree with the "Any Given Sunday" thing, winskins. I thought that a bit, too. But Ramsey is no Willie Beamen, for good or ill. And does that make Danny Snyder into Cameron Diaz? Ouch.

lol...yeah Ramsey isn't a replica of steamin willy beamen, but they are kinda on the same boat (maybe not in the same ocean though). As for Dan Snyder being a Cameron Diaz...I might not even have words to add

SUNRA · 09-30-2004, 09:52 PM

Mark Brunell is doing exactly what he was brought here to do. He has shown how to lead this team. The hurry up offense after the Portis catch was a good example. We watched him handle a blitzing defense all night and take a good shot which caused him to fumble. To go from 2 turnovers to no turnovers against Dallas is impressive. Brunell is going to continue big the confidence of his receivers that he can throw the ball where it needs to be thrown. He even put some juice on a couple of throws. I think he was starting to feel it. Wilbon is a passionate fan of the Redskins who wanted to see the Redskins scalp the Cowboys and probably lost a bet on the game.

CrazyCanuck · 09-30-2004, 10:01 PM

I also thought he looked rusty through the first 2 games and the 1st half of the Dallas game. But I think a big part of that is the new offense, which is struggling as a whole. He showed me a lot in the 2nd half, most importantly that he can throw the ball downfield with authority. That 2nd TD pass to Gardner was a beautiful thing. MB reminded me of Steve Young on that one.

There's always a lot of discussion about the QBs here, but personally I think the QB situation is the least of the teams worries. Sorry, second least, after coaching.

Dirtbag · 10-01-2004, 03:15 AM

In a chat before the Monday night game, Wilbon explained that when writing a column about a Monday night game, he writes it during the game, on the fly, because the column is due 10 minutes after the game ends. So, when he bashed Brunell on Tuesday, I think it was because Brunell *started* the game poorly. Wilbon probably began his column with that angle, and indeed, Brunell looked shaky in the 1st half. He didn't really rally until late in the game, which was admirable, of course, but Wilbon probably couldn't rewrite his entire column at that point. I'm not a big Mike Wilbon fan, but given the circumstances, I don't fault him as badly as Gibbs did for his piece.

That Guy · 10-01-2004, 07:27 AM

that's exactly why i said it was soo harsh

thanks for the confirm... remember, brunell got 150 yards IN HIS LAST 8 PLAYS.

MTK · 10-01-2004, 08:33 AM

Regardless of when these critical articles were written, the fact is they were in the papers the next morning for everyone to see. Imagine if the Skins pulled the game out? How bad would those articles have looked then?

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09-30-2004, 04:39 PM	#2
Winskins Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wheaton, MD Age: 41 Posts: 282	In reference to the Portis call, now correct me if i'm wrong, but it appeared that a person made contact with Portis and then after that person's contact with Portis ended (w/o his knee ever touching the ground) THEN Portis's knee touched the ground. Now, I thought that the rule was that a player's knee can touch the ground as long as no one touches him while his knee is on the ground. So what exactly is the rule? __________________ The Skins will make the Cowboys their woman...and they're gonna enjoy it!

09-30-2004, 04:42 PM	#3
Winskins Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wheaton, MD Age: 41 Posts: 282	Brunnel, ever since we picked him up, reminds me of the veteran QB from Any Given Sunday. He is that pro that just knows exactly what he's doing and he knows how to lead the team. He may not be as physical a specimen as he was in his earlier years, but I think his mental growth has more than offset that. Ramsey is a good quarterback, but he needs to sit back, learn, and watch a really smart QB go out there and make plays so that he can become a great QB. __________________ The Skins will make the Cowboys their woman...and they're gonna enjoy it!

09-30-2004, 05:52 PM	#5
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	I agree with the "Any Given Sunday" thing, winskins. I thought that a bit, too. But Ramsey is no Willie Beamen, for good or ill. And does that make Danny Snyder into Cameron Diaz? Ouch. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-30-2004, 07:04 PM	#6
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 62 Posts: 289	i think brunnell has played very well this year,other than the 2 fumbled handoffs returned for tds.the receivers dropped a lot of passes they should have caught,and a lot of his incomplete passes were throwaways.i agree with gibbs,people need to chill off brunell.it's not like he threw 3 ints to wide open dbs is it?(i know one qb who did though.) __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

09-30-2004, 04:24 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	alright fess up, who said he's washed up? Let's hear your reasoning.

09-30-2004, 05:17 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	I don't think he's washed up, but I certainly don't believe he's worth the price we're paying. He's finally gotten something going and I'm happy to see it. He's going to teach Ramsey a lot.

09-30-2004, 07:19 PM	#7
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	He's done. He can't push the ball downfield anymore. He doesn't take chances unless the game is on the line and it takes like 10 mins to drive the ball with him on the field. I think he is washed up and I know he's not playing well this year. I have disappointed with everything I've seen from him this season. If he can keep up the last 5 mins of the Dallas game, I may sing a different tune, but for now, he's a 42 million dollar mistake.

09-30-2004, 09:52 PM	#11
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Mark Brunell is doing exactly what he was brought here to do. He has shown how to lead this team. The hurry up offense after the Portis catch was a good example. We watched him handle a blitzing defense all night and take a good shot which caused him to fumble. To go from 2 turnovers to no turnovers against Dallas is impressive. Brunell is going to continue big the confidence of his receivers that he can throw the ball where it needs to be thrown. He even put some juice on a couple of throws. I think he was starting to feel it. Wilbon is a passionate fan of the Redskins who wanted to see the Redskins scalp the Cowboys and probably lost a bet on the game. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

09-30-2004, 10:01 PM	#12
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	I also thought he looked rusty through the first 2 games and the 1st half of the Dallas game. But I think a big part of that is the new offense, which is struggling as a whole. He showed me a lot in the 2nd half, most importantly that he can throw the ball downfield with authority. That 2nd TD pass to Gardner was a beautiful thing. MB reminded me of Steve Young on that one. There's always a lot of discussion about the QBs here, but personally I think the QB situation is the least of the teams worries. Sorry, second least, after coaching.

10-01-2004, 03:15 AM	#13
Dirtbag Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 142	In a chat before the Monday night game, Wilbon explained that when writing a column about a Monday night game, he writes it during the game, on the fly, because the column is due 10 minutes after the game ends. So, when he bashed Brunell on Tuesday, I think it was because Brunell started the game poorly. Wilbon probably began his column with that angle, and indeed, Brunell looked shaky in the 1st half. He didn't really rally until late in the game, which was admirable, of course, but Wilbon probably couldn't rewrite his entire column at that point. I'm not a big Mike Wilbon fan, but given the circumstances, I don't fault him as badly as Gibbs did for his piece.

10-01-2004, 07:27 AM	#14
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	that's exactly why i said it was soo harsh thanks for the confirm... remember, brunell got 150 yards IN HIS LAST 8 PLAYS.

10-01-2004, 08:33 AM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Regardless of when these critical articles were written, the fact is they were in the papers the next morning for everyone to see. Imagine if the Skins pulled the game out? How bad would those articles have looked then?

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