What's your defnition of 'conservative playcalling'?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

By my definition, I would say conservative play calling is simply calling any play that prioritizes limiting the chance of a mistake over gaining yards, and first downs and or points.

I think this is a GREAT thread because it does little good to criticize play calling with out first defining what conservative play calling is.

No offense can have success if the play calling is too conservative. However, it's my understanding that people in general don't themselves understand what conservative play calling is prior to voicing their opinion. By definition, a running play on third and eight is NOT CONSERVATIVE if it was called with the primary intent of picking up the first down. It can only be "conservative" if the intent was simply to waste a down without turning the ball over. Generally with the lead, you want to get more conservative as it gets later and later, and the Skins have adhered to this principle thus far. It's the execution that has prevented late game success.

For example: every play we call on third and less than five.

Conservative? Not at all.

Stupid, ridiculous, painful to watch, predictable, and rarely successful? All of the above.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

By my definition, I would say conservative play calling is simply calling any play that prioritizes limiting the chance of a mistake over gaining yards, and first downs and or points.

I think this is a GREAT thread because it does little good to criticize play calling with out first defining what conservative play calling is.

No offense can have success if the play calling is too conservative. However, it's my understanding that people in general don't themselves understand what conservative play calling is prior to voicing their opinion. By definition, a running play on third and eight is NOT CONSERVATIVE if it was called with the primary intent of picking up the first down. It can only be "conservative" if the intent was simply to waste a down without turning the ball over. Generally with the lead, you want to get more conservative as it gets later and later, and the Skins have adhered to this principle thus far. It's the execution that has prevented late game success.

Very nice post, and I agree with you. By this definition, wouldn't it make sense to try to limit mistakes when leading with a young QB? I agree that I'd like to see more passes on 1st and 2nd, but who wants to see a 1st down pick or sacks that put us in 3rd&21?
Keep the clock moving. The frustration for me is the incompletions and TO's in the second halves. Of course, a screen pass should never be picked off.

[redsk1]

The injured o line is a huge problem no doubt. However, you kind of got to play to win sometimes. Not throw all the time, run all the time, but create a little mix. Throw some on first...roll out or something. We had NO run game at all yesterday. Lets try to win and get a first down. The question is would you rather try to win and get a couple of first downs or take our chances on a FG that is about 50-50 chance for us to win/lose. It seems like we just were content on running for no yardage yesterday. Did anyone think that we were actually going to run for more than 3 yards on first and second down? Again the injuries are a huge deal, but we had no run game at all, so let's try to get a first down or two.

[dgack]

Conservative Playcalling: (n). A derisive term used to denigrate the coaching staff of the Washington Redskins after any loss, or victory of less than 21 points.

See also: "smoking crack", "backseat quarterbacking", "glass half empty"

[firstdown]

Its funny when MB was playing people said that he was always dumping the ball off now when JC does this its conservative play calling.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its funny when MB was playing people said that he was always dumping the ball off now when JC does this its conservative play calling.

And thats my new sig.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its funny when MB was playing people said that he was always dumping the ball off now when JC does this its conservative play calling.

The difference is, Brunell never even looked downfield until the game was all but lost, and he couldn't possibly be blamed for giving it away. Campbell takes shots downfield, and even on a few plays yesterday, you could see Campbell looking deep before checking down.

Brunell also had the benefit of a receiver that had a chip on his shoulder and a point to prove. Campbell is dealing with the same receiver, but he's become a headcase that forgot how to make plays.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

The difference is, Brunell never even looked downfield until the game was all but lost, and he couldn't possibly be blamed for giving it away. Campbell takes shots downfield, and even on a few plays yesterday, you could see Campbell looking deep before checking down.

Brunell also had the benefit of a receiver that had a chip on his shoulder and a point to prove. Campbell is dealing with the same receiver, but he's become a headcase that forgot how to make plays.

Watching on TV its hard to tell what the QB has as far as open WR's. I know when I was at the Giants game JC missed allot of opportunities down field. At this point I don't know if its the coaches or JC that is not getting the ball farther down field or maybe its a compination of both.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Brunell also had the benefit of a receiver that had a chip on his shoulder and a point to prove. Campbell is dealing with the same receiver, but he's become a headcase that forgot how to make plays.

That must be it. Same guy, but now hes out to hurt the team!

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That must be it. Same guy, but now hes out to hurt the team!

I hate to say it Tripp, but the amount of money we have tied in to Moss and Lloyd compared to their production is a laugh out loud joke. In the last 2 weeks they've combined for what, 2 or 3 catches, 8 total yards, 4 or 5 drops and a fumble that cost us the game? Hard to have any faith in that. I see $50M+ circling the drain with those two right now...

We NEED a breakout game from Moss to build some confidence. NEED.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That must be it. Same guy, but now hes out to hurt the team!

I didn't say he was a cancer. I said "headcase". As in something is in his head, that is causing him to lose concentration.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its funny when MB was playing people said that he was always dumping the ball off now when JC does this its conservative play calling.

We were not calling deep passes yesterday. Sanders even mentioned it in his interviews after the game. He said we went in with a conservative game plan.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We were not calling deep passes yesterday. Sanders even mentioned it in his interviews after the game. He said we went in with a conservative game plan.

I'm not sure what your definition of "deep" is, but there were at least a few called. Thrash dropped a pretty long toss.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I'm not sure what your definition of "deep" is, but there were at least a few called. Thrash dropped a pretty long toss.

Forget the real deep stuff. I'm looking for more mid range 15-25 yards stuff. What happened to the creative stuff we had against Det? How about a hurry up offense once in a while? JC seems to run that real well. Someone mentioned in another thread about rolling JC out. How come we don't see this anymore? Gibbs 1 use to roll out Rypien all the time. JC has way more mobility than Rypien ever had. Just do anything to try and score more than 14 freakin points a game. If it doesn't work then fine. At least we are trying instead of letting the defense try and win it every week. It's just the same old shit week in and week out.

I'm happy to be 4-2 but to beat alot of teams we have coming up we are going to have to play alot better on offense. You mean to tell me that we have all these offensive coaches and that was the best gameplan you can come up with? If I were Snyder I would be pissed as hell.

The bottom line is Gibbs just can't seem to coach to win. He coaches not to loose and it is getting so old and it almost cost us the game yesterday.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its funny when MB was playing people said that he was always dumping the ball off now when JC does this its conservative play calling.

The difference is that JC has been going deep on a pretty consistent basis, he just wasn't going deep against the Cards. MB rarely went deep. Saunders admitted during the offseason that JC gives the ability to go deep on a more consistent basis.