Gibbs

[LRT]

I think this is an important point. Joe Gibbs has made this a much better organization than it was before he came back from retirement. In terms of personnel moves, stability and character, we are far closer to being the "old Redskins" than we were under Turner or Spurrier. (To be honest, I think Schottenheimer had us on the right track, too...)

I know that I greatly underestimated how big of a mess Spurrier left behind here - and I think other did as well. In many ways, we were well on our way to becoming the Lions or the Cardinals - consistent losers with a bad front office.

So, while Joe Gibbs hasn't gotten us a fourth Lombardy trophy (yet), but we are back on the path to respectability. And a hard loss to the Eagles doesn't change that fact.

[Daseal]

Uh, he didn't find Ethan Albright.... feels like Albright has been around since his first tenure, but Albright was here before Gibbs 2.0

[ncskinsfanec]

Gibbs is, and will always be the man. He's played a major part in making this franchise what it is. He's still doing a good job even though the league has changed drastically since his first time around.

[skinsfan242]

Ok. He didn't find Albright. But how about we replace him with Cooley who I somehow left off the list.

Some of you guys still miss the point I don't understand how you cannot see the fact that we have vastly improved in personnel since he got back and we have a solid foundation. Not to mention a Potential FRANCHISE QB who has only started 16 games.

This is very similar to Parcells in Dallas. We want to run Gibbs out of town then watch his players be great, and give all the creidt to another coach.

[#56fanatic]

beating a dead horse here :

1) Portis for Bailey & Bell - springs can not be included in that, he signed as a FA.

2) the organization is in no better shape now than it was 4 years ago. To say that it is, well that is too much cool aid my friends. Who cares who we have on the Roster, we dont win. Isn't winning the defining term of what a regime does? Not having so called young studs. Who knows, maybe 3 or 4 years from now those young studs (if we are able to afford them!) may be probowl players. But as of today, we are no better than what we have been the past 10 years, not alone the past 4 years. We continually have to release this player, renegotiate with this player, sign a FA to a lesser contract to make up for this guy we had to cut, this is the same crap that has gone on for 10 years. If you guys think this current roster will be around for another 2 or 3 years, WRONG. Moss wont be here, Portis wont be here, Smoot, Marcus (he may be too old by then anyway) Randel El all those guys will be gone. I hope and pray we keep Taylor, Cooley, Campbell, Rogers, Landry , and Rocky. But, who knows.

Springs will be cut after this year, Marcus too (that is a feeling) Lloyd (no brainer) Daniels (another no brainer) Griffin will be gone.
i guess I am just saying we are no better now than we were before Gibbs 2.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Springs will be cut after this year, Marcus too (that is a feeling) Lloyd (no brainer) Daniels (another no brainer) Griffin will be gone.
i guess I am just saying we are no better now than we were before Gibbs 2.

I think Springs stays due to the Rogers injury, Griffin probably too stays. The rest will be gone.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

Ok. He didn't find Albright. But how about we replace him with Cooley who I somehow left off the list.

Some of you guys still miss the point I don't understand how you cannot see the fact that we have vastly improved in personnel since he got back and we have a solid foundation. Not to mention a Potential FRANCHISE QB who has only started 16 games.

This is very similar to Parcells in Dallas. We want to run Gibbs out of town then watch his players be great, and give all the creidt to another coach.

Chris Cooley was a 2 for 1 deal. Sure he's great, but when you have to spend two draft picks to get him, it's just not the most efficient way to use the draft.

How can you say we have "vastly improved in personnel" when we have a losing record over three and a half seasons?

[SouperMeister]

Aside from signing Archuleta, trading picks for Lloyd and Duckett, and allowing Pierce to leave for reasonable money, almost every other personnel move has had a positive impact.

My bigger problem has been with the coaching, more specifically the offensive coaching. When Gibbs returned, I just assumed that his offense would carry the team and that the defense would struggle. It has been the complete opposite. Look at virtually every top team in the NFL this year, and all of them take shots in the passing game. With the rules changes favoring WRs, Gibbs has been slow to adjust his philosophy to leverage that. I've felt that he'd be better off going back to his Air Coryell roots that he established as SD's offensive coordinator.

[rk3025]

Don't you think it has been vvise for bringing along the future of the skins Campbell slovvly
Not do vvhat they had done before vvith Ramsey and give the line time to play together a little before having a lot of rushing on Campbell
Marshall played great on the corner and thought he could play middle as he did corner linebacker
5 games is the same as all of last year and the season is not over folks

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Aside from signing Archuleta, trading picks for Lloyd and Duckett, and allowing Pierce to leave for reasonable money, almost every other personnel move has had a positive impact.

My bigger problem has been with the coaching, more specifically the offensive coaching. When Gibbs returned, I just assumed that his offense would carry the team and that the defense would struggle. It has been the complete opposite. Look at virtually every top team in the NFL this year, and all of them take shots in the passing game. With the rules changes favoring WRs, Gibbs has been slow to adjust his philosophy to leverage that. I've felt that he'd be better off going back to his Air Coryell roots that he established as SD's offensive coordinator.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

We waited to play J. Campbell until he was ready while everyone was screaming for him. We didn't throw him in the fire look at how that worked out for San Fran and others.

Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. It did work for Dallas and Troy Aikman, Indy and Peyton Manning...

I think you'll find that for the quarterbacks who were thrown into the fire "before they were ready" and didn't perform, those same QBs weren't cut out for the NFL to begin with, and how they were worked into their respective starting positions wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[MTK]

Czaban would fit in well here. He just really rubs me the wrong way.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Czaban would fit in well here. He just really rubs me the wrong way.

Czaban is an ass. I think I actually hate the man.

[MTK]

Even if it's 7 busts out of 32, that's almost 22%. I wouldn't say that's low by any means. And it definitely points to there being more to drafting than just watching some college ball on a Saturday afternoon.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Even if it's 7 busts out of 32, that's almost 22%. I wouldn't say that's low by any means. And it definitely points to there being more to drafting than just watching some college ball on a Saturday afternoon.

So you think an 80% success rate is low?! From where I come from 80% is doing pretty good especially in something as speculative as the draft.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

So you think an 80% success rate is low?! From where I come from 80% is doing pretty good especially in something as speculative as the draft.

Speculative?

I thought you said: Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round