Campbell Questions

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

With a young QB I think a lot of it has to do with getting comfortable in the system and getting some chemistry going with the WRs.

Last year he was around 53%, this year he's up to 60%. That's a significant improvement and we still have 6 games to go.

good point. I'd be curious to see the breakdown of his completions, what types of passes they were, how far down the field was he throwing, etc. It seems that we've not been throwing a lot of dink and dunk this year so he must be really improving. (at the current improvement rate of 7% per year, he'll be hitting 100% of his passes in 2014! )

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

How do you improve a QB's accuracy though? Just reps? I didn't know if that was something it improves or not. I mean, McNabb has been in the league how long now and he still throws 4 or 5 bounce passes per game.

These guys are not machines. Everyone can't be Tom Brady. Carson Palmer, who I think is really really good played like shit yesterday. It happens.

From what I see JC has to get better with leading his wr's when they come of of their breaks. It's making the read quicker and then throwing it quicker. No one did it better than Kurt Warner when he played in this offense. He would throw the ball before the wr came out of his break. Jc hasn't gotten that part down yet.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

How do you improve a QB's accuracy though? Just reps? I didn't know if that was something it improves or not. I mean, McNabb has been in the league how long now and he still throws 4 or 5 bounce passes per game.

What he needs to do is recognize the route and the defense quicker, I think by the time he realizes whats happening down field he is a little behind, that could be from lack of experience, the more he plays the slower the game will become for him, the sooner he should start recognizing coverages, the quicker he can get the ball out, I think that is his problem right now, I think he can throw the ball accurately but he's a little behind in his mind right now, he needs to anticipate when a receiver is about to break open and get rid of it, that will allow him to lead the WR, not wait until it happens because then there is usually a safety closing in which may cause him subconsciously to throw behind the wr. He also needs to survey the field better when his primary is covered.

His deep ball needs a lot of work!

The good thing is he's being allowed to throw, we now can see him start to develop, he had a nice game yesterday but he still threw an inexcusable INT that cost us the game, Dallas couldn't cover our WR's yesterday, if he stayed patient, and smart we win that game late.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by offiss

What he needs to do is recognize the route and the defense quicker, I think by the time he realizes whats happening down field he is a little behind, that could be from lack of experience, the more he plays the slower the game will become for him, the sooner he should start recognizing coverages, the quicker he can get the ball out, I think that is his problem right now, I think he can throw the ball accurately but he's a little behind in his mind right now, he needs to anticipate when a receiver is about to break open and get rid of it, that will allow him to lead the WR, not wait until it happens because then there is usually a safety closing in which may cause him subconsciously to throw behind the wr. He also needs to survey the field better when his primary is covered.

His deep ball needs a lot of work!

The good thing is he's being allowed to throw, we now can see him start to develop, he had a nice game yesterday but he still threw an inexcusable INT that cost us the game, Dallas couldn't cover our WR's yesterday, if he stayed patient, and smart we win that game late.

That int really hurt. If I'm correct he had El open to his left and from what I heard yesterday on the Riggo show CP rolled right and no one covered him and he could have walked into the endzone.

[Ocliw]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

First off, let me preface my comments by saying that I thought Jason Campbell was pretty damn impressive yesterday. That said, I have questions concerning two key areas of his game:

1) Accuracy. It seems that when he leads a receiver across the field he is almost always throwing behind them. Do you think this is due to the inconsistency at the wideout position this year or is it mechanics? Is that something that will improve with time or is it basically how it's going to be?

2) Fumbling. It seems like he kind of holds the ball back and far away from his body while standing in the pocket, which makes it easy for an outside pass rusher to knock it out of his hands. I think Aikman mentioned during the broadcast that he is second in the NFL in fumbles. This I'm sure can be fixed with good coaching.

His accuracy wasn't a real issue in college.Granted the nfl is a different world but I think its like you stated. Inconsistency at the wideouts.

As far as fumbling Tiki Barber was the king. A different posistion mind you but a fumble is a fumble. The giants leprechaun looking coach helped him with that. Im sure JC will come around.

[BDBohnzie]

Samuels had no help all day, and was left on an island to keep DeMarcus Ware at bay. While he did ok, there were times he got beat worse than a red-headed stepchild on whippin' day. Campbell will learn to be more aware and protect the football with more and more experience.

As far as his errant throws go, the only thing that can improve that is reps. Which he'll get because I don't forsee him losing his job anytime soon. He was very impressive yesterday against a quality defense.

[JWsleep]

It'll come--he's been showing steady improvement, and he's got the arm to make the throws. Plus, as was mentioned, he hits that throw in college, and, I imagine, in practice. It will come.

Good game by JC--tough pick at the end. Wish ST were playing.

TB is the season--Dallas in Dallas was tough, and would have been a great win. But the key is TB.

[BleedBurgundy]

I understand him not seeing the whole field yet. I think that def comes with time. I'm more concerned with seeing things that you can't coach. I can't remember seeing a qb who was inaccurate in the early stages of their career become accurate later on. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying I don't remember it. As several others have already noted, the timing will come. But accuracy and timing are different. He's nowhere near as innacurate as some other qbs in the game but he does seem to deliver it a little high (could be that our receivers accentuate this with their lack of height.)

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I understand him not seeing the whole field yet. I think that def comes with time. I'm more concerned with seeing things that you can't coach. I can't remember seeing a qb who was inaccurate in the early stages of their career become accurate later on. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying I don't remember it. As several others have already noted, the timing will come. But accuracy and timing are different. He's nowhere near as innacurate as some other qbs in the game but he does seem to deliver it a little high (could be that our receivers accentuate this with their lack of height.)

Football Outsiders (which I must admit can be kind of hit and miss with their predictions) argues that the most important predictors of future success for QBs drafted in the first two rounds (apparently it gets a little tougher from there due to various factors) and passing percentage and number of starts. Their predictive software loves Jason Campbell, though they had to temper some of those predictions when they took into account it was Jason's first year starting, because of those factors.

At Auburn Jason's stats were:

- 2001 - 9 games - 89/142 62.7%
- 2002 - 11 games - 94/149 63.1%
- 2003 - 13 games - 181/293 61.8%
- 2004 - 13 games - 188/270 69.6%

and that is playing the SEC ... I try not to get too geeked, but I love the guy.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Football Outsiders (which I must admit can be kind of hit and miss with their predictions) argues that the most important predictors of future success for QBs drafted in the first two rounds (apparently it gets a little tougher from there due to various factors) and passing percentage and number of starts. Their predictive software loves Jason Campbell, though they had to temper some of those predictions when they took into account it was Jason's first year starting, because of those factors.

At Auburn Jason's stats were:

- 2001 - 9 games - 89/142 62.7%
- 2002 - 11 games - 94/149 63.1%
- 2003 - 13 games - 181/293 61.8%
- 2004 - 13 games - 188/270 69.6%

and that is playing the SEC ... I try not to get too geeked, but I love the guy.

When Dave Lewin wrote the QB projection system he found that QB success rate was about 60% GS and 40% completion percentage in college stats.

However, taking his original work, it seems that based on the failures of Vince Young, Tim Couch, and of Alex Smith (three guys that the system had highly rated), and the relative success of JP Losman (who didn't complete a great % in college), I've decided that the system is pretty accurate, but is more accurate if it is weighed higher in terms of games started.

A guy who starts 45 games and completes 58% of his passes is far more valuable in my opinion than a guy who starts 31 games and completes 65% of his passes. Games started always has to be the first thing a scout looks at when grading the top tier draft prospects.

Anyway, this only goes to show that Jason Campbell should be even better over time.

[dmek25]

why are some people enamored with a TALL receiver? what in the world does that have to do with accuracy? if the throw is on the money, it doesn't matter how tall the player is. Campbell has made great strides in his brief career. and any skins fan should be excited for what is about to come. the more he works with these guys, the more accurate he will become

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by dmek25

why are some people enamored with a TALL receiver? what in the world does that have to do with accuracy? if the throw is on the money, it doesn't matter how tall the player is. Campbell has made great strides in his brief career. and any skins fan should be excited for what is about to come. the more he works with these guys, the more accurate he will become

I'm not enamored with a tall receiver, I'm saying a smaller target is harder to hit. He seems a little high with his throws and I think with guys that are 6'3" instead of 5'10" he'd have a little more margin for error. It's not a shot at our receivers or campbell.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by dmek25

why are some people enamored with a TALL receiver? what in the world does that have to do with accuracy? if the throw is on the money, it doesn't matter how tall the player is. Campbell has made great strides in his brief career. and any skins fan should be excited for what is about to come. the more he works with these guys, the more accurate he will become

Having a tall receiver is a HUGE advantage once you're in the red zone - he presents a much larger target, and can generally outjump pint-sized DB's on any high passes. The first TD to Owens is the kind of play that we just cannot run consistently well, hence, we bog down inside the 10 on numerous occasions. Even a good DB with size like Springs has no chance one-on-one against a bigger stronger man like TO on that play.

I'd argue that TO's size would have allowed him to get his hands on the pass that was too high for Moss at the end of the game.

[Stacks42]

To Campbells defense, he did throw the ball over 50 times. One pick out of 50+ throws 300+ yards is pretty good, on the other hand Romo should have had 3-4 picks.

[EternalEnigma21]

About the fumbles... I want him to correct them, but I'm also very very glad we don't have a qb who makes the pass rush one of his first reads during his progression... a la brunell/ramsey.

as he gets more experience he'll be getting rid of the ball faster and taking pressure off of our tackles, which should also help our running game...