ESPN Ranks the Top 64 QB's

[GTripp0012]

If the list is based on this year only, right at the current moment, then theres no way in the anals of hell that you can make a argument for McNabb over Garrard. Theres no place to start or finish.

If this is a career projection forecast, then you have issues all over the place.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Campbell at number 18 is great seeing that he has only one year under is belt

[jsarno]

I have two issues with the rankings. 1st, I would not put Brady ahead of Manning. If Manning was a Patriot, he would have already had the record. Manning and Brady are of very similar age, look at the differences in stats. Granted Brady hasn't played as long, but he has in no way put up the stats that Manning has. Manning is the smartest qb to ever live.
The other issue I have is fairly predictable, and I won't even mention his name, but I will just say he's ranked way too high. (like gump says...that's all I got to say about that)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I have two issues with the rankings. 1st, I would not put Brady ahead of Manning. If Manning was a Patriot, he would have already had the record. Manning and Brady are of very similar age, look at the differences in stats. Granted Brady hasn't played as long, but he has in no way put up the stats that Manning has. Manning is the smartest qb to ever live.
The other issue I have is fairly predictable, and I won't even mention his name, but I will just say he's ranked way too high. (like gump says...that's all I got to say about that)

If Brady can post three straight seasons at this level of production, then he can stake a claim on greatest ever. Until then, I really can't say he's better than Manning. It just seems like an overreaction to a historically great season, and even recently he's started to disappear in some games. He's got two less years of experience than Manning, so its conceivable he could still improve, but until he does, I have to treat Brady's season as an abberation.

McNabb had an excellent year in 2004...yeah, well what has he done since then. Wouldn't shock me if the same thing happened to Brady.

Vince will improve next year when he's not so injured, but the media does have the delusion that he's going to develop into a good passer, which looks unlikely at this point to say the least.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I have two issues with the rankings. 1st, I would not put Brady ahead of Manning. If Manning was a Patriot, he would have already had the record. Manning and Brady are of very similar age, look at the differences in stats. Granted Brady hasn't played as long, but he has in no way put up the stats that Manning has. Manning is the smartest qb to ever live.
The other issue I have is fairly predictable, and I won't even mention his name, but I will just say he's ranked way too high. (like gump says...that's all I got to say about that)

I would put Brady ahead of Manning becuase he was a huge part in NE winning 3 rings with average wr's. Plus he almost got to his 4th last year with below average wr's.

[over the mountain]

man i really agree with their write up of JC. strong arm, needs to be more accurate in the mid range passing and HE MUST START TO READ DEFENSES QUICKER AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.

go skins! stomp them giants!

[The Zimmermans]

Plus he is more accurate, with a quicker release, a stronger arm, and no running game

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Plus he is more accurate, with a quicker release, a stronger arm, and no running game

I assume you are saying Peyton is the better one, but just in case you weren't, and you are saying Brady was better...

Accuaracy:
Manning 64.0% comp.
Brady 63.0% comp.
Advantage - Manning.

Manning has a stronger arm by far, and that is common knowledge.

About the running game...they are actually very similar over the last 4 years:
(pats 1st, colts 2nd)
2007, 14th - 12th (colts by only 2)
2006, 12th - 18th (pats by 4)
2005, 24th - 16th (colts by 8)
2004, 7th - 15th (pats by 8)
Advantage, Patriots (barely).

So the colts have a better running game this year by only 2 teams. Pretty damn close though. Overall, the last 4 years (including this year), the Pats have actually had a slightly better running game. But not by much. So the no running game comment doesn't really work for either team. It's too close to call.

[BringBackJoeT]

If this hasn't already been posted, ESPN added to the list of top 64 QBs a list of QB Growth Stocks. Here's what they said about Campbell:

Jason Campbell, Redskins



CAMPBELL WATCH
Bullish: Appears to have a strong command of the huddle. Good physical skills.
Bearish: Still learning the offense.


Year-to-year 2006 2007
Comp. pct. 53.1 60.0
Rating 76.5 77.6
TD/INT 10-6 12-11
W-L 2-5 6-7
Coaches generally change a quarterback's throwing motion only as a last resort. Washington appears to have succeeded in helping Campbell, 25, overhaul his mechanics. Campbell has improved his completion percentage significantly, but he's still in the early stages of development.

"He is a big, talented kid," the secondary coach said. "He can pretty much throw any ball you need. They are probably taking it easy with him with the idea of, 'Hey, listen, don't lose the game for us.' But he might be able to win for them with time."

The AFC scout studied Campbell at length, starting with the seven starts Campbell made last season.

"They really did a nice job of changing his throwing motion," the scout said. "They really shortened his stroke, which helped him. I was really surprised at how much better he got during the summer."

Campbell might be more of a born leader than some quarterbacks.

"He takes charge of things," the secondary coach said. "You don't see other guys in the huddle saying, 'Let's do this, let's do that.' They have some veteran guys. He carries himself that way. I'd be willing to bet he has good leadership ability."

[BringBackJoeT]

Also, did anyone notice that our starting QB this weekend is ranked behind one Gus Frerotte in ESPN's rankings? Good lord . . .

[scafuri27]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Also, did anyone notice that our starting QB this weekend is ranked behind one Gus Frerotte in ESPN's rankings? Good lord . . .

As long as Tony banks and Jeff George arent ranked ahead of him we will be OK!!

[Coff]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Also, did anyone notice that our starting QB this weekend is ranked behind one Gus Frerotte in ESPN's rankings? Good lord . . .

I really wish you hadn't posted that; it's depressing on far too many levels.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by Coff

I really wish you hadn't posted that; it's depressing on far too many levels.

Yeah. Add it to the fact that Norv Turner is the head coach of a playoff bound team, and it's enough to make you cry.

[That Guy]

looks like what i said two years ago he really did improve massively over the summer (surprisingly so) and he's no longer a question mark as a starter (now if he can work on that fumbling problem...).