Some other ways of looking at Gibbs' Second Stint

[onlydarksets]

Frankly, we deserved a 6-win season in 2004 - we just weren't that good.

In 2005, however, I think we overachieved. That was probably more like an 8-win season.

In 2006, we underachieved - we probably should have won at least 3 more games, IIRC.

This year, I think our record reflected where we are as a team, although it was a fairly inconsistent season as a whole (hopefully the Skins of the last 4 games are the "real" Skins).

[CanadianSkin]

The best way to look at Joe Gibbs second time around is what he has done for th organizations, owner and fans. Did I think when Joe was hired again that I would be celebrating another Superbowl for the Skins? Of course I did, He is one of the greatest coaches to ever work in the NFL. But as it has been said he did take us to the playoffs two years out of four. He has shown Danny Boy that we do not need to pay old stars big money to come in and win now. We need patients to build a consistent winner and I think Danny will now move forward in that fashion. Get the right guys in that can play and not just big names at the end of their career. This ship has been corrected and is heading in the right direction finally and that is a direct reflection of what Joe did for us. If we did not have so many injuries this year, and losing the best player on our team, I think we are still playing right now. I want to thank Joe for everything he has meant to the Redskins, he will always be our leader and the coach of the Washington Redskins. I just hope he gets his dues next year when we really make a push in the playoffs, unlike Bill Parcells not getting too much credit for what he has done for the Cowgirls.

Also he made the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry come back to life, it was so one sided for so many years.

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

In short...Gibbs left the Skins better than he got the Skins. Point blank! Mission accomplished.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by 2BIG2BSKINNY

In short...Gibbs left the Skins better than he got the Skins. Point blank! Mission accomplished.

You mean like this?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by 2BIG2BSKINNY

In short...Gibbs left the Skins better than he got the Skins. Point blank! Mission accomplished.

I agree that he left the team better than he received it, but to me, mission accomplished would have been a deep playoff/Super Bowl run. If you told me 4 years ago that Gibbs would bring us 1 playoff victory in 4 years, I would have been VERY disappointed.

Looking at the big picture, if Campbell proves to be a franchise QB, we can expect many years of contending well in the NFC with deep runs in the postseason. I believe that Campbell will be Gibbs's greatest contribution of his second go around.

[birdz4gibbs]

i guess all i can say is joe,s legacy remains the same and he has helped this organization understand you need to put some things together with time and less money not more.
joe gibbs was and is the best at pushing the not so talented player to the upmost potential and get the most out of them and i started to see this the last 4 games of the season...now it,s up to synder to take what he has learned hopefully these past 4 years and continue on with the success...time will tell but the gibbs second go round has made us better and now it,s a matter of keeping it together and adding to it....

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

By looking at estimated wins, and pythagorean wins courtesy of FootballOutsiders.com

Estimated Wins provides a figure that attempts to reevaluate each teams' season in terms of wins, but eliminate factors that the team cannot control.

Pythagorean wins simply looks at the points scored and points against, and determines how many games should have been won if the scores had been spread out over the entire season.

2004: Washington wins 6 games, with 6.8 estimated wins, and 7.1 pythagorean wins

2005: Washington wins 10 games, with 10.4 estimated wins, and 9.9 pythagorean wins

2006: Washington wins 5 games, with 6.8 estimated wins, and 6.1 pythagorean wins

2007: Washington wins 9 games, with 8.3 estimated wins, and 8.7 pythagorean wins

Overall 2nd Gibbs stint: 30 regular season wins, 32.3 estimated wins, and 31.8 pythagorean wins.

If not for luck, Joe Gibbs would have turned two of those 34 regular season losses into wins, effectively giving him a legitimate .500 record in these 4 years.

I don't think that's very bad at all.

Yeah I have a response... Uh, what?



Just kiddin' ya, Tripp.

[That Guy]

if we can keep everything besides gibbs in place, i think his stint was good.

if it gets blow'd up or re-arranged for a new coach, it was a waste of time :/.

[QBall]

Think it was good. But does anyone else feel like Gibbs quit on us?

I read an article that Monday while visiting family in NC he made a surprise visit to his NASCAR HQ Office. He stopped by at 1 pm to hang out and basically let everyone know he's back to run the team.

I don't know man, just thought after everything they had been through together that there was no way he quits like that. Bet behind closed doors there are some hurt and angry players and coaches.

He owed us one more year. Just my view.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by QBall

Think it was good. But does anyone else feel like Gibbs quit on us?

I read an article that Monday while visiting family in NC he made a surprise visit to his NASCAR HQ Office. He stopped by at 1 pm to hang out and basically let everyone know he's back to run the team.

I don't know man, just thought after everything they had been through together that there was no way he quits like that. Bet behind closed doors there are some hurt and angry players and coaches.

He owed us one more year. Just my view.

I think that Gibbs has done enough for the franchise, the city, and the fans that he can do whatever the damn hell he wants.

He had always said that NASCAR is his life, and when he was ready to step down from the NFL (again) he was going back to NASCAR. Plus with a new driver (Kyle Busch) and JGR switching to Toyota this is going to be a very important year for his racing team. And he'll be based in North Carolina where he can be with his grandson constantly, which is great for both of them (not to mention his wife, and the rest of the family). Finally, it'll be a significantly lighter load on his day because he's not going to be up all night breaking down game film and trying to plan for the next opponent.

So, no I don't think he "quit" on the team at all.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think that Gibbs has done enough for the franchise, the city, and the fans that he can do whatever the damn hell he wants.

He had always said that NASCAR is his life, and when he was ready to step down from the NFL (again) he was going back to NASCAR. Plus with a new driver (Kyle Busch) and JGR switching to Toyota this is going to be a very important year for his racing team. And he'll be based in North Carolina where he can be with his grandson constantly, which is great for both of them (not to mention his wife, and the rest of the family). Finally, it'll be a significantly lighter load on his day because he's not going to be up all night breaking down game film and trying to plan for the next opponent.

So, no I don't think he "quit" on the team at all.

I agree. Just my 2 cents...

He gave us all he had for 4 seasons. I appreciate the fact he was honest with himself and decided to step down rather than come back and not have his heart 110% into it.

I really don't think people understand what an insane grind the NFL is. I'm sure if we spent a week at Redskins Park with Gibbs he would simply wear us out.

When Gibbs came back his plan was to not dive head first into the job again like his first stint here, but before you know it he was sleeping in his office again and grinding away until the wee hours of the morning.

As he's said, the NASCAR team is a big part of his family. I don't see where his involvement in it again should be any sort of signal that he quit on the Redskins.

In fact I'll call it like I see it. Anyone who really thinks that Gibbs may have "quit" on the Redskins, doesn't fully understand what Gibbs is all about.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by QBall

Think it was good. But does anyone else feel like Gibbs quit on us?

I read an article that Monday while visiting family in NC he made a surprise visit to his NASCAR HQ Office. He stopped by at 1 pm to hang out and basically let everyone know he's back to run the team.

I don't know man, just thought after everything they had been through together that there was no way he quits like that. Bet behind closed doors there are some hurt and angry players and coaches.

He owed us one more year. Just my view.

No I don't think he owed us anything. He drafted a very promising young QB, brought in countless quality assistant coaches capable of carrying the load now that he's gone, instilled patience (hopefully lasting patience) in our owner who was previously a maniac, and otherwise assembled a talented young core of players. Because of him, our future has possibilities. It's up to Dan Snyder and whoever he hires as coach to achieve the things Gibbs made possible.

The whole point of bringing Gibbs here was to make the team better. We hoped that would involve a SB. But there's no arguing that we're in better position today than we were at the end of the '03 season. So to Gibbs I say thank you, I'll never forget you, and enjoy your golden years because you deserve great ones.

[lespaul]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if we can keep everything besides gibbs in place, i think his stint was good.

if it gets blow'd up or re-arranged for a new coach, it was a waste of time :/.

I'm wearing out my mouse and my browser checking out this site to see if there is any new news.

Gibbs may have taught Danny some patience,but I sure as hell don't have much.

[skinsfan_nn]

Nice read:

ESPN - Gibbs survived demanding Cooke, proved his mettle under fire - NFL

[skinsfan_nn]

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