Fassel, Ryan and Zorn, oh my!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Gibbs had no influence over Danny..

Danny's still an infantile, self-centered, egotistical, idiot jerk.....and no amount of class and integrity could change that.

With Gibbs I had all the hope in the world....even hope that Danny could learn that he doesn't know it all....I was wrong...way wrong.

Dan Snyder is an absolute bafoon.

What Snyder is probably saying,
"I've got a good idea....lets promote CERRATO....a guy that no one would hire to his current position.....then......lets blow up the coaching staff that stabilized our team the last 4 years.....the best team we've had since I took over.....and lets make sure we dump our offensive coordinator whos system takes 3 years to hit its stride....in year 2.

And lets dump our Defensive coordinator who helped the team through the murder of its best player just 1 month ago...

And best of all lets tell the players.
SCREW YOU....I dont CARE what you think!!"

What a great way to run a football team.

It only took a couple of weeks to completely destroy 4 years of Gibbs 2.
Snyder is the ANTI-GIBBS!

What an idiot.

I forget who our resident meteorologist is, but I think the forecast is 100% chance of the sky falling..

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I forget who our resident meteorologist is, but I think the forecast is 100% chance of the sky falling..

Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?

Where are you right?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?

Sorry about the "fancy-pants" comment....just 10 years of Snyder build up...I wonder if windex will remove that?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Are you saying that Snyder is a good owner?
Where am I wrong, fancy-pants?

Wow, fancy pants.. Took me a while to shake that one off..

No, I don't consider Snyder a good owner to be honest. I think he meddles too much, is still too impulsive and hasn't grasped the concept of director of football operations, GM, coach all being different people and being left alone to do their jobs.

My point is I don't see how this situation is Redskin Armageddon. So we have a new head coach from outside and 2 new coordinators. For the 3rd time in as many days, 3 playoff teams (Dallas, SD, Pittsburgh) had almost completely new head coaches & coordinators (Pitt. kept LeBeau as DC) and 2 of them won their divisions.

Continuity for the sake of continuity is overrated. We had the 15th ranked offense, 18th ranked scoring offense, I'm fine with an upgrade. I've been on record as supporting Saunders and I think if given full reign and freedom we would have seen a much more productive and explosive offense but I'm not ready to turn in my Redskins card because he won't be here next year.

Same with Williams. He did a solid job this year with the defense. I can't really ignore the 8 or so games the D lost when we had 2nd half leads, but I put that about 55-45 on the offense for not continuing to attack.

I know I'm in the vocal minority, but it seems a bit over the top the panic and mayhem sweeping thru Redskins nation. It's not like we're hiring Rich Kotite, Ray Handley or Dave Campo. By the way, those were all internal hires, strongly supported by the players and fan bases at the time. How'd that work out?

[GMScud]

My buddy just shot me a text saying G.Williams to Jacksonville as D.Coordinator... I'm sure it's a rumor at this point, but that would be a good move for him. They have some phenomenal personnel on that D. They'll be nasty with Gregg running them.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wow, fancy pants.. Took me a while to shake that one off..

No, I don't consider Snyder a good owner to be honest. I think he meddles too much, is still too impulsive and hasn't grasped the concept of director of football operations, GM, coach all being different people and being left alone to do their jobs.

My point is I don't see how this situation is Redskin Armageddon. So we have a new head coach from outside and 2 new coordinators. For the 3rd time in as many days, 3 playoff teams (Dallas, SD, Pittsburgh) had almost completely new head coaches & coordinators (Pitt. kept LeBeau as DC) and 2 of them won their divisions.

Continuity for the sake of continuity is overrated. We had the 15th ranked offense, 18th ranked scoring offense, I'm fine with an upgrade. I've been on record as supporting Saunders and I think if given full reign and freedom we would have seen a much more productive and explosive offense but I'm not ready to turn in my Redskins card because he won't be here next year.

Same with Williams. He did a solid job this year with the defense. I can't really ignore the 8 or so games the D lost when we had 2nd half leads, but I put that about 55-45 on the offense for not continuing to attack.

I know I'm in the vocal minority, but it seems a bit over the top the panic and mayhem sweeping thru Redskins nation. It's not like we're hiring Rich Kotite, Ray Handley or Dave Campo. By the way, those were all internal hires, strongly supported by the players and fan bases at the time. How'd that work out?

Richie Petitbon...

I'd comment on how I generally agree and you make good points on several issues above. But then someone will make the asinine comment that I just support everything that Snyder says and I don't really care about the team since I'm not going crazy over this.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Gibbs had no influence over Danny..

Danny's still an infantile, self-centered, egotistical, idiot jerk.....and no amount of class and integrity could change that.

With Gibbs I had all the hope in the world....even hope that Danny could learn that he doesn't know it all....I was wrong...way wrong.

Dan Snyder is an absolute bafoon.

What Snyder is probably saying,
"I've got a good idea....lets promote CERRATO....a guy that no one would hire to his current position.....then......lets blow up the coaching staff that stabilized our team the last 4 years.....the best team we've had since I took over.....and lets make sure we dump our offensive coordinator whos system takes 3 years to hit its stride....in year 2.

And lets dump our Defensive coordinator who helped the team through the murder of its best player just 1 month ago...

And best of all lets tell the players.
SCREW YOU....I dont CARE what you think!!"

What a great way to run a football team.

It only took a couple of weeks to completely destroy 4 years of Gibbs 2.
Snyder is the ANTI-GIBBS!

What an idiot.

classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.

I hate to disagree but it's not a knee jerk reaction to acknowledge Snyder's instability on this franchise. The man's record speaks for itself. I will always be a Redskins fan, but let's be honest, since the Cardinals moved to the NFC West, Dan Snyder has been the Bill Bidwill of the NFC East, only with deeper pockets.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

classic sky is falling knee jerk reaction.

I am glad to serve your purpose so you can make your point.
But my knee has been up for about a decade.
Snyder is an idiot and cant even learn from the master.

And please don't question my integrity as a fan...you can tell I care...fans that don't care don't get this pissed.
I will always wear my burgandy and gold on my sleeve, regardless of who is our owner.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I am glad to serve your purpose so you can make your point.
But my knee has been up for about a decade.
Snyder is an idiot and cant even learn from the master.

And please don't question my integrity as a fan...you can tell I care...fans that don't care don't get this pissed.
I will always wear my burgandy and gold on my sleeve, regardless of who is our owner.

Oh and now comes the "if you're not pissed, you don't care" argument. My favorite

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Oh and now comes the "if you're not pissed, you don't care" argument. My favorite

Smootsmack,
I respect you...but lets put down the antagonistic remarks.
I expressed my opinion and you mock me.
That is not what a high quality site like this is about.

I just think Snyder is royally screwing up again and I'm sick of it.

If you state an opinion, I respect it and don't ridicule it.
Please pay me the same respect.

We are Redskin Brothers, you know....even if we disagree.

[Skins_FanFL]

Synder is what happens when a fan controls an NFL team (as opposed to someone who REALLY knows the game.)

[#56fanatic]

I think as a die hard Redskin fan we are tired of seeing this organization in constant flux. When we get something going and make the playoffs the organization seems to feel the need to make changes, then its another 2 years of addapting to those changes. Happened in 2000 after the 99 playoffs, happened in 2006 after the 05 appearance, and seems to be happening again after this seasons playoff birth. We always take a step or two forward, going in the right direction, then WHAM, we take 5 steps back. I believe the majority of the negative reactions are to that aspect more than it is about Fassell. It seems like we shoot ourselves in the foot everytime we see progression. Whether GW was the right choice or not, who knows, but for the sake of keeping a good thing together for the players on and off the field it would make sense to hire GW as the head coach. The players love this guy, Gibbs (PRIVATELY) endorsed him as head coach, he has shown loyalty to the organization and to his players. Even the offensive players (Randel El, Moss, Portis) have expressed their desire for him to remain as coach. We always seem to mess up team chemistry when its at its strongest. 99 we had a good character team, then came in all the high priced premadonas, 05 great chemistry then came in a few guys, didn't do alot of damage to the chemistry, but adding a new offense after they finished 11th? Now getting rid of the same offense that picked up speed at the end of the year, and takes 3 years to be productive.

Look,half way through the season next year we may be praising this move, but right now its kind of hard to say they missed the target big time on this one.

[Mc2guy]

Just to inject a little perspective in this sob-fest, Ryan and Zorn are high quality and highly sought after coaches.

Zorn has been the QB coach for Seattle since 2001 and has a great track record there with Hasselback. Seattle has been ranked 2, 13, and 9 in overall offense in the last 3 years, much better than the skins on average.

Ryan is loved by his players and has lead the Ravens to defensive rankings of 5, 1, and 5 over the last 3 years, also better than the almighty GW over that period.

Fassel is a WINNING coach, who has playoff experience and has lead a team to the Superbowl...how many coaches out there now have that resume other than Cowher, who isn't coming to town?

Now, do I believe this is the best coaching staff ever assembled, admittedly no, but it sure could be worse. I will prefer to focus on the positives here until proven otherwise. I suggest for your own sanity, you do the same.