SNYDER reconsider PETITION!!!

[sportscurmudgeon]

djnemo65:

Excuse me: You can take Joe Gibbs at his word all the time?

How many times did he say he was here for the duration of his contract? He won't be doing that...

Joe Gibbs is a football coach. Football coaches - at every level - live by telling the person in front of them what the person wants to hear OR what the coach wants them to believe. That applies to recruits, free agents, players agents, owners interviewing them for positions, assistant coaches, reporters, TV/radio people and etc. Football coaches who do not have that "survival skill" wind up unemployed.

That does not make football coaches into bad people and it certainly does not make Joe Gibbs a bad person; he is not. But you take him at his word all the time with the same comfort that you take a professional poker play at his word all the time...

[dgack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

djnemo65:

Excuse me: You can take Joe Gibbs at his word all the time?

How many times did he say he was here for the duration of his contract? He won't be doing that...

Joe Gibbs is a football coach. Football coaches - at every level - live by telling the person in front of them what the person wants to hear OR what the coach wants them to believe. That applies to recruits, free agents, players agents, owners interviewing them for positions, assistant coaches, reporters, TV/radio people and etc. Football coaches who do not have that "survival skill" wind up unemployed.

That does not make football coaches into bad people and it certainly does not make Joe Gibbs a bad person; he is not. But you take him at his word all the time with the same comfort that you take a professional poker play at his word all the time...

While I agree with the general point you're making, I think you're also missing the point that the traits that define Joe Gibbs are not inclusive to those of what make a great football coach. He's also a good man, a devout Christian, and someone who believes in leading by example, trust, and mutual respect.

While you can certainly make the case that he "didn't tell the truth" about saying he'd honor his contract, I don't believe for a second that he ever thought he wouldn't live up to that at the time he made that statment, and I'd also suggest that ANYONE who put themselves through what that man did for four years, including this past one (which he called the most trying of his professional career), could not be blamed for choosing to walk away and spend more time with his family.

Joe is a leader, and as a leader, he often said the right thing rather than the popular or juicy thing, but I really don't think he was a man who embraced the practice of deception, which is what you seem to be saying here.

[Luxorreb]

Do we need GIbbs to right the ship again already!? JEEZ!!!
He's meeting with coaching staff individually next week.



*If ya wanna hate on a thread there's plenty of Cowboys and Patriots fansites out there!
Remember we getting local television COVERAGE!!! Who says our voices ain't heard!!! Speak your mind Redskins fans.

[BleedBurgundy]

You know what, as much as I called this thread retarded, I was surprised to read this this morning. I still think fans have ZERO input into this process and that is how it should be. Still, this seems to show that some people in the media are paying attention to these boards...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

You know what, as much as I called this thread retarded, I was surprised to read this this morning. I still think fans have ZERO input into this process and that is how it should be. Still, this seems to show that some people in the media are paying attention to these boards...

The media definitely looks to sites like this to gauge the pulse of the fans, and in this case I think they might be using this as fuel to add to their fire. Does what we say bubble all the way up to Snyder? Perhaps. The question is how much does he allow it to sway his decision making. I'd guess probably not much at all. I'm sure he's pretty used to fans griping about something by now.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The media definitely looks to sites like this to gauge the pulse of the fans, and in this case I think they might be using this as fuel to add to their fire. Does what we say bubble all the way up to Snyder? Perhaps. The question is how much does he allow it to sway his decision making. I'd guess probably not much at all. I'm sure he's pretty used to fans griping about something by now.

Not to mention that since very little regarding the interview process is being leaked to the media they need some other angle (fan perspective) to write something about. Plenty of people have said that coaching the Redskins is a very enticing opportunity. It's a great non-Super Bowl story and the Redskins' oligarchy are not forthwith in supplying information about it. I like the long, careful process to getting the best possible candidate through these doors. Personally I could care less if any or all of the players want a particular guy. They are professionals and they'll play for whoever we get. Most may want GW, but really, don't most people want to stay with what's familiar? Once the new guy, be it GW or anyone else, gets here the players will buckle down and get back to business.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

Not to mention that since very little regarding the interview process is being leaked to the media they need some other angle (fan perspective) to write something about. Plenty of people have said that coaching the Redskins is a very enticing opportunity. It's a great non-Super Bowl story and the Redskins' oligarchy are not forthwith in supplying information about it. I like the long, careful process to getting the best possible candidate through these doors. Personally I could care less if any or all of the players want a particular guy. They are professionals and they'll play for whoever we get. Most may want GW, but really, don't most people want to stay with what's familiar? Once the new guy, be it GW or anyone else, gets here the players will buckle down and get back to business.

Good point.

[CrackBack]

I really only see three options when it comes down to this situation. We are carrying a lot of momentum and have a strong team with a great future. It would be ridiculous to screw that up or mess with it in any way.

In no order

1. Hire Gregg Williams as Head Coach -- he deserves it -- let him decide what to do with Al Saunders and a DC.

2. Hire Gregg Williams as Head Coach and bring in Fassel as OC. (not sure how that would work or if its possble)

3. Go after and get the big gun - Cowher. Let him do what he wants.

I think that any other option will hurt this team for a few year till Snyder realizes it doesn't work. Even with Cowher, you still get a similar style of offense and strategy -- not to mention how well respected by coaches and players alike. I belive that is the ONLY way you take this team away for GW.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CrackBack

I really only see three options when it comes down to this situation. We are carrying a lot of momentum and have a strong team with a great future. It would be ridiculous to screw that up or mess with it in any way.

In no order

1. Hire Gregg Williams as Head Coach -- he deserves it -- let him decide what to do with Al Saunders and a DC.

2. Hire Gregg Williams as Head Coach and bring in Fassel as OC. (not sure how that would work or if its possble)

3. Go after and get the big gun - Cowher. Let him do what he wants.

I think that any other option will hurt this team for a few year till Snyder realizes it doesn't work. Even with Cowher, you still get a similar style of offense and strategy -- not to mention how well respected by coaches and players alike. I belive that is the ONLY way you take this team away for GW.

This is precisely why I am glad that the decisions aren't made by members of this or any other forum. It's great to get your opinion out there, and to discuss possible solutions and all that, but why limit yourself to only three scenarios.

I for one appreciate the fact that all options are on the table. What did GW do to "deserve" the position anyway? Unless it was in his contract, I see no argument for that whatsoever. Hire the best STAFF available period. Maybe the reason GW might not be the head coach is because the powers that be don't agree with the potential coordinators he would bring in. Maybe it has nothing to do with how they think he would perform as a head coach at all.

Bottom line is there are a lot of variables involved here, and I just want them to get it right. If that means no GW, so be it. No matter what happens, more than likely we will have new D and O coordinators. To me, those guys are the two most important positions.

[dgack]

I think Boswell's piece today perfectly illustrates my frustration with the process up until now:

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

Some wonder if the Redskins already have burned their bridges with Williams, who specifically came to Washington so he could learn to handle people -- and smooth the edges of his blunt personality -- by exposing himself to Gibbs's influence. If you worked for four years as one of the central architects of a business, yet your boss still needed to interview you four times, including one 10-hour marathon, to make sure you were the right person for the job, would you feel wanted?