Are we the Detroit Lions?

[skinsguy]

And here's my point in how ridiculous it is to compare the Lions to the Redskins. The Redskins have had 15 playoff wins since 1980, 5 Conference Championship appearances, 4 Conference Championships, 4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Super Bowl victories.

The Lions have had only one playoff win since 1980, 1 conference Championship appearance, 8 losses all in the wild card round, no Super Bowl appearances. Comparing just the last 10 years, the Lions had two playoff appearances, the Redskins had three. The Lions didn't win in either one of those playoff appearances, the Redskins have two victories.

There still cannot rightfully be any comparison between the two franchises.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And here's my point in how ridiculous it is to compare the Lions to the Redskins. The Redskins have had 15 playoff wins since 1980, 5 Conference Championship appearances, 4 Conference Championships, 4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Super Bowl victories.

Since 1993, the Redskins have a whopping 8 more victories than the Lions over that same time span.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Since 1993, the Redskins have a whopping 8 more victories than the Lions over that same time span.

skinsguy, and really myself and any other skin fan really, doesnt want to admit it but for the last 15 years we have a lot in common with the lions. we have both sucked. we both had a fwe moment hear and there, but we both also have lots of free agent and draft pick busts.

yes any team has busts, but the skins and matt millen get a lot of publicity for what they do and what they have done that hasnt worked. '

matt millen might be a genious for drafting johnson with the second pick in the draft, but he still looks like an idiot becuase its the 4th one. just like if dan snyder signs any free agent hes goign to get critized saying he doesnt use the draft or say that he over paid.

[Beemnseven]

Not only that, but which franchise has a better record than the Redskins since 1993?

It's one that gets joked constantly in the NFL these days, and whose owner is ridiculed even more than Lil' Danny ....





The Oakland Raiders. They have a 106-134 record since '93. The Skins is 104-135-1.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Not only that, but which franchise has a better record than the Redskins since 1993?

It's one that gets joked constantly in the NFL these days, and whose owner is ridiculed even more than Lil' Danny ....





The Oakland Raiders. They have a 106-134 record since '93. The Skins is 104-135-1.

wow...i wonder where our record ranks in the last 15 years. no wonder we all miss the 'glory days' so much, er, i mean 'gibbs 1.0'

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Not only that, but which franchise has a better record than the Redskins since 1993?

It's one that gets joked constantly in the NFL these days, and whose owner is ridiculed even more than Lil' Danny ....





The Oakland Raiders. They have a 106-134 record since '93. The Skins is 104-135-1.

Why are we arbitrarily pulling the year 1993 out of a hat? We've made the playoffs twice in the past three years. Detroit and Oakland have exactly ZERO playoffs berths among them in that span, and are both in the bottom 5 in overall winning percentage since 2003. That's more telling to me than what's happened since 1993. It's a what you done for me lately league.

I'm not saying The Danny is a great or even good owner at this point, but we're nowhere near Oakland or Detroit currently.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

skinsguy, and really myself and any other skin fan really, doesnt want to admit it but for the last 15 years we have a lot in common with the lions. we have both sucked. we both had a fwe moment hear and there, but we both also have lots of free agent and draft pick busts.

yes any team has busts, but the skins and matt millen get a lot of publicity for what they do and what they have done that hasnt worked. '

matt millen might be a genious for drafting johnson with the second pick in the draft, but he still looks like an idiot becuase its the 4th one. just like if dan snyder signs any free agent hes goign to get critized saying he doesnt use the draft or say that he over paid.

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

Finally a voice of reason.

Hallelujah.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

First of all, you need to stop thinking of those people as "Redskins Fans" and acknowledge them as something far more basic: Assholes. Assholes who could possibly need professional help.

Secondly, the point of this thread is to objectively examine the success of this franchise when compared to other teams that have experienced "hard times." Every franchise goes through a period like this. The Patriots are a good example. Younger fans might not remember the times when they were a team that got trampled year in and year out. Now certainly, the Redskins aren't at that level. From '93 to '95 was their worst period in modern times. Since then, it's been a modest rise to mediocrity.

Don't think that my saying that implies that I'm a "so-called" fan. I'm simply pointing out the facts. It's been some lean times around these parts. And the sting of watching Joe Gibbs walk away for the absolute last time without being able to take us back to the Promised Land is especially hard. Add that to what many perceive to be a meddling owner who has no track record of success at running a football team returning to his old ways and ... well, you get the point.

Some people, like you, have great difficulty in admitting that our team has fallen to the depths of mediocrity over the last 15 years or so, and teetered on the edge of far worse than that in some seasons.

I am not one of those people. I'm a fan, and will remain so for as long as I live. But I will continue to point out the obvious, and give blistering opinions on those who I believe have fostered the demise of this team ever since they've taken over.

And I hope to God one day I'm proven wrong.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

First of all, I can speak for myself, thank you very much. Secondly, to imply that I, nor any other Redskins fan on this board, doesn't want to admit that this team has had some hard times is a foolish statement to make. We just don't like to wallow in the self pity that seems to plague a few so called fans on this board. We don't like to waste time whining and complaining about every move this franchise has made, while completely ignoring what good things have come from this franchise. And oh yes, there are those and you know who you are who only come here to crap on the team, and when things are going right, you are nowhere to be found.

That is what makes me so ashamed at fans in Redskins Nation. When we actually start arguing over why we should be compared to the Lions, something is very wrong. I've seen posts where people want Snyder dead, they hate Fassel, they hate Gibbs, the Redskins are a laughing stock of the NFL.....this all coming from REDSKINS fans. I just don't get it.

To answer your initial question, no we are not the Detroit Lions. We have 3 SB victories and have made the playoffs twice in the past 3 seasons. we are slightly above average as far as organizations are concerned at the moment. All time, we are one of the best.

[sancho2613]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And here's my point in how ridiculous it is to compare the Lions to the Redskins. The Redskins have had 15 playoff wins since 1980, 5 Conference Championship appearances, 4 Conference Championships, 4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Super Bowl victories.

The Lions have had only one playoff win since 1980, 1 conference Championship appearance, 8 losses all in the wild card round, no Super Bowl appearances. Comparing just the last 10 years, the Lions had two playoff appearances, the Redskins had three. The Lions didn't win in either one of those playoff appearances, the Redskins have two victories.

There still cannot rightfully be any comparison between the two franchises.

I'd have to agree with you I don't think we can compare the Lions to the Redskins... wow this has been a fun thread to read though lots of good arguments (might need some of the thread police before things get out of hand ...lol)

[DynamiteRave]

So who's ready for the Skins to quit the NFL?

I know I sure am. This team might as well just fold and call it quits, cause we're comparable to the Lions. No wait.. The Raiders. We are just the epitome of a terrible franchise.

Come on, let's all just hop on the Raven's bandwagon while we still have a chance.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

So who's ready for the Skins to quit the NFL?

I know I sure am. This team might as well just fold and call it quits, cause we're comparable to the Lions. No wait.. The Raiders. We are just the epitome of a terrible franchise.

Come on, let's all just hop on the Raven's bandwagon while we still have a chance.

hey man, weve had our bad years but we're still fans

heres to hoping the skins are the next dynasty!

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

hey man, weve had our bad years but we're still fans

heres to hoping the skins are the next dynasty!

True.

I just hate how some people always wanna kick a dog when it's down.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

True.

I just hate how some people always wanna kick a dog when it's down.

I get ya, I love the skins and wont ever jump ship, Im also realistic and not blind to the fact that we arent always gods gift to teh nfl