Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm reserving all judgment on Zorn. To be honest, I don't remember him as a QB and I don't know how people "in the know" really view him. He could be a great hire, or he could be a miserable failure. I simply don't know.

No one else does either, I admire the approach you're taking and it would be wise if others followed your lead.

I watched him play with great interest back in 1976 because Seattle was an expantion team just coming into the league. He was their first QB, and I wanted to see how he and his new team stacked up against the rest. We didn't see a lot of their games being here on the east coast, neither did I follow his career after his playing days. Many people have had good things to say about him, so like you I'm going to wait and see.

[GMScud]

You know, of the four teams that made coaching changes this offseason, three hired coaches who had never even been coordinators before - Sparano, Zorn, Harbaugh. So this guy can shove it.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm reserving all judgment on Zorn. To be honest, I don't remember him as a QB and I don't know how people "in the know" really view him. He could be a great hire, or he could be a miserable failure. I simply don't know.

Our staff in place and personel will not allow for a miserable failure. Just will not happen this year. Maybe he could screw this up years down the line but we're solid right now.

[SmootSmack]

This guy from FoxSports is arguably worse. He describes two different coaches the same way, with completely opposite opinions on the two.

FOX Sports on MSN - Adam Schein - Putting wacky coach carousel in perspective

Originally Posted by Adam Schein

It ranks as the single worst hire we've seen in the NFL in years. Zorn has no NFL head coaching experience. He has no NFL coordinator experience. He was plucked by meddlesome owner Daniel Snyder to be the offensive coordinator a few weeks ago. I thought Zorn was a terrible hire as offensive coordinator as he didn't even call the plays in Seattle...

Originally Posted by still Adam Schein

There are some who question Harbaugh's readiness for the gig since he was never a defensive coordinator. I totally disagree. It's an out-of-the-box hire and I applaud the Ravens for making it after Garrett said no.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This guy from FoxSports is arguably worse. He describes two different coaches the same way, with completely opposite opinions on the two.

FOX Sports on MSN - Adam Schein - Putting wacky coach carousel in perspective

Wow, it's amazing how some of these "journalists" still have jobs. With the saturation the internet brings to the world of sports (and just about everything else), the quality of writing and analysis has certainly suffered. What a joke.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This guy from FoxSports is arguably worse. He describes two different coaches the same way, with completely opposite opinions on the two.

FOX Sports on MSN - Adam Schein - Putting wacky coach carousel in perspective

Yeah I noticed that the other day too when I read it. This article and a bunch of others is what prompted my 'psychics and speculation' post. I really think all these writers do it just for ratings and recognition to make themselves stand out in the pack of jack-offs currently writing sports pieces.

[Giantone]

I already told you who I think ......and was the worst Giant coach ever..RAY HANLEY ,so in your opinions who was the Redskins worst coach ever?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I already told you who I think ......and was the worst Giant coach ever..RAY HANLEY ,so in your opinions who was the Redskins worst coach ever?

In recent history it had to be Steve Spurrier. I'd say Richie Petibon, but he was a successful defensive coach in the NFL before failing as a HC. Spurrier was a joke in the pros. And he knew it too.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GMScud

In recent history it had to be Steve Spurrier. I'd say Richie Petibon, but he was a successful defensive coach in the NFL before failing as a HC. Spurrier was a joke in the pros. And he knew it too.

Ray Handley- .438 (14-18)
Steve Spurrier- .375 (12-20)
Bill McPeak- .313 (21-46-3) (1961-1965)
Mike Nixon- .182 (4-18-2) (1959-1960) *-had a 2-12 record in 65 with Pitt.

I would have gladly took Handley over Spurrier or McPeak, or Nixon.

ps- petitbon wasn't really given the chance. He inherited an old team that needed rebuilding, and no patience was granted to him.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This guy from FoxSports is arguably worse. He describes two different coaches the same way, with completely opposite opinions on the two.

FOX Sports on MSN - Adam Schein - Putting wacky coach carousel in perspective

I really don't care what Adam Shein writes about the Redskins...my issue with him is that I have Sirius Satelite Radio and he is by far the worst radio talk show host I have ever heard. His big booming phony radio voice is intollerable, he constantly agrees with his cohost which does not exactly make for interesting discussions and he alwasy pats himself on the back for their endless parade of softball tossing player interviews. Someone needs to tell that blowhard that it's "NFL Radio", which means it isn't that big an accomplishement to get NFL players to pick up the phone! I could go on all night...I can't stomach that blowhard.

[talk show host]

I'm very optomistic about Zorn. My only fear is that he goes 7-9 or better and Snyder gives him the axe to go after Cowher next year. Now if we are 4-12 or worse, i would agree with such a move, but this team has way too much talent to be less than 5-11, even under a new regime.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by talk show host

I'm very optomistic about Zorn. My only fear is that he goes 7-9 or better and Snyder gives him the axe to go after Cowher next year. Now if we are 4-12 or worse, i would agree with such a move, but this team has way too much talent to be less than 5-11, even under a new regime.

Do you honestly believe that Cowher would come here if Snyder did that and would'nt give him total control?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Do you honestly believe that Cowher would come here if Snyder did that and would'nt give him total control?

I want to be content with getting Cower out of my system all together, because I do not think Snyder would fire Zorn even if he's not wholly successful in his first year.

On the other hand, what would be considered success for this team in 2008? Would anything short of a playoff apearence be considered a failure? I'm more concerned with the fan reaction to Zorn if he struggles some in this his initial season.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by talk show host

I'm very optomistic about Zorn. My only fear is that he goes 7-9 or better and Snyder gives him the axe to go after Cowher next year. Now if we are 4-12 or worse, i would agree with such a move, but this team has way too much talent to be less than 5-11, even under a new regime.

I loved the Cowher fantasy too but now it's time to come back to reality and realize that Cowher isn't going to come here. Ever. Unless Danny just hands the whole team over to him and after all of this hiring and firing we've done this season setting up a whole new team around WCO just for Zorn... Forget about it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This guy from FoxSports is arguably worse. He describes two different coaches the same way, with completely opposite opinions on the two.

FOX Sports on MSN - Adam Schein - Putting wacky coach carousel in perspective

LOL what a joke



Perhaps even worse, he doesn't even understand the Rooney rule and how it applies to hiring from within:

Mora's the man, but were rules violated?

Mike Holmgren announced that he's coming back to Seattle for 2008 but it would be his final season in the great Northwest. Instead of having a farewell tour and lame duck situation surrounding the team, Tim Ruskell and Paul Allen appointed Jim Mora as Holmgren's replacement.


For the record, I love Mora. He's energetic, experienced, and did a great job with the Seattle defensive backs this past season. And if you blamed him for anything that happened during his run in Atlanta, he was certainly exonerated over the last 365 days.


But I am wondering aloud how this appointment affects the Rooney Rule, or at least the spirit of the Rooney Rule. Isn't the Rooney Rule about opportunity for minority candidates? Technically, you don't violate the rule by promoting within from your own staff. But it still doesn't seem right. The Steelers didn't name a successor for Bill Cowher, and that led them down a surprising path to Mike Tomlin, who has turned out to be perfect.


This appointment costs a minority candidate a chance to interview and impress and that is highly unfortunate.

A quick google search on "Rooney Rule" shows this:

However, the rule does not apply if an assistant coach has language in his contract guaranteeing him the starting job in case of an opening. [1] This was the case when Mike Martz took over as head coach of the St. Louis Rams before the 2000 season.

I think this guy owes me for doing his research for him.