Roy Williams (WR) for a 2nd Round Pick?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i don't understand why everyone is jumping all over Williams for a second round pick. when Hall is available, for a first rounder, and far the more proven player. is there that much of a difference between the 2 picks? in my opinion, we need a corner far more then we need a wide out. and i think there is more to Williams just wanting out of Detroit

I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.

But WE could add Brandon Loyd to the offer

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.

what has Williams done for you to think this? i keep reading about him being a number one, anyone care to post his stats from last season? Hall has already been to 2 pro bowls, and is only 24. while his mouth isn't his best quality, no one knows for sure how we would react playing in such a disaster as Atlanta. i say corner is a much bigger need then wide out

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

what has Williams done for you to think this? i keep reading about him being a number one, anyone care to post his stats from last season?

What has he done for me to think he's a playmaker? Oh, let me count the ways:

• His career yards per reception is 15.0. Last year, Santana Moss averaged 13.2 and Antwaan Randle-El averaged 14.3.

• Last year, he had 63 catches for 836 yards and 5 TDs, in 12 games. Over a 16 game season, that extrapolates to 84 catches, 1136 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In 2006, he played a full season, and posted 82 catches, 1310 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In his first two years in the league (2004 and 2005), he had 8 TDs in each season, despite missing seven games over the course of those two years.

• Last year, Roy averaged 4.6 YAC compared to Santana Moss' 3.1 and Randle-El's 3.6.

• He was a Pro Bowler after his stellar 2006 season. If he didn't get hurt and miss the last 4 games of this past season, he probably would have been a Pro Bowler then too.

• He'll be 27 when the 2008 season starts.

He's one of the best young WRs in football. Which NFL are you watching?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What has he done for me to think he's a playmaker? Oh, let me count the ways:

• His career yards per reception is 15.0. Last year, Santana Moss averaged 13.2 and Antwaan Randle-El averaged 14.3.

• Last year, he had 63 catches for 836 yards and 5 TDs, in 12 games. Over a 16 game season, that extrapolates to 84 catches, 1136 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In 2006, he played a full season, and posted 82 catches, 1310 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In his first two years in the league (2004 and 2005), he had 8 TDs in each season, despite missing seven games over the course of those two years.

• Last year, Roy averaged 4.6 YAC compared to Santana Moss' 3.1 and Randle-El's 3.6.

• He was a Pro Bowler after his stellar 2006 season. If he didn't get hurt and miss the last 4 games of this past season, he probably would have been a Pro Bowler then too.

• He'll be 27 when the 2008 season starts.

He's one of the best young WRs in football. Which NFL are you watching?

nice analysis. no need to be an ass, though. i just think there is more to the story, as far as Detroit wanting to unload him

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option.

Schneed...you are right on target here.

I think anyone here would agree our 2nd next year for Roy Williams would be a steal....we'd have to throw them a bone....like a 6th this year too.
That wouldn't be too bad.

I'd do it....imagine what a signing like this would do for Moss and Cooley.

It would also mean Cooley could be situational and keep in a blocking end...which would really help Campbell.

A Roy Williams signing would make the entire offense better....even if he didn't light it up...I'd do it for a 2nd this year too....especially if we got a little something back

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i don't understand why everyone is jumping all over Williams for a second round pick. when Hall is available, for a first rounder, and far the more proven player. is there that much of a difference between the 2 picks? in my opinion, we need a corner far more then we need a wide out. and i think there is more to Williams just wanting out of Detroit

Hey I am giving up this years second for Williams and this years first for Hall with out even the slightest thought. Two young players that are know quantities, that a bargain. Wide recievers more than any player, can turn out to be busts. So many are picked in the top ten and dont pan out. Hall is what you hope for from a top five pick. Get'em both done.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i don't understand why everyone is jumping all over Williams for a second round pick. when Hall is available, for a first rounder, and far the more proven player. is there that much of a difference between the 2 picks? in my opinion, we need a corner far more then we need a wide out. and i think there is more to Williams just wanting out of Detroit

cause hall's a douche who wants a lot of money and may create locker room issues... and that first pick is our DE for the next 10 years that we'd be trading away.

the difference in value between #21 and #56 (or whatever) is huge.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I think that people are jumping on it cause it is a 2009 pick and because it is 2nd round not first

[Redskin Warrior]

wow only a 2nd rounder sounds tempting but what is up with his injury that had him out last year?

[diehardskin2982]

if he is injury free I make the trade immidiately

[SouperMeister]

That's a no brainer. If Detroit said that they would accept a #2 for Roy Williams, I would be pissed if Snyderato didn't pull the trigger. This isn't like trading for a stiff like Lloyd. Roy Williams is probably one of the 5 most talented WRs in the NFL, and he has put up very solid numbers.

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

That's a no brainer. If Detroit said that they would accept a #2 for Roy Williams, I would be pissed if Snyderato didn't pull the trigger. This isn't like trading for a stiff like Lloyd. Roy Williams is probably one of the 5 most talented WRs in the NFL, and he has put up very solid numbers.

This is an exaggeration right? It has to be. So the fact that he was 33rd in receiving yards last year, 16th in 2006, 67th in 2005, and 45th in 2004 doesn't really mean anything? The guy has tremendous physical gifts but I would be hard pressed to put him in the top 15-20 receivers in the league.
BTW, he has very comparable stats both physically and on the field as another WR who was extremely gifted. A guy by the name of David Boston.
DB Stats:
1999 40/773 Yds/2 Tds
2000 71/1156/7
2001 98/1598/8
2002 32/512/1
RW Stats:
2004 64/838/5
2005 82/1310/7
2006 45/687/8
2007 54/817/8
I thought this might put just a little perspective on the guy. I am not saying he won't be great, but isn't "great" now and so far, his statistics don't really measure up.

[SeanTaylor21]

if david boston can stay healthy he will be deadly, but if he gets injured like he has in the past it will be a waste, i say sign david boston and see what hes got, i would also like to add this :Before the 2004 season, he tested positive for steroids and was ordered to serve a 4-game suspension. This became negligible after he tore ligaments in his knee and was unable to play for the entire season. The Dolphins cut him at the end of the year, then proceeded to sign him for the veterans' minimum for 2005. He played in 5 games that year before tearing knee ligaments again, and in 2006 he signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was released on September 12th, 2007 after being arrested for DUI.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21

if david boston can stay healthy he will be deadly, but if he gets injured like he has in the past it will be a waste, i say sign david boston and see what hes got, i would also like to add this :Before the 2004 season, he tested positive for steroids and was ordered to serve a 4-game suspension. This became negligible after he tore ligaments in his knee and was unable to play for the entire season. The Dolphins cut him at the end of the year, then proceeded to sign him for the veterans' minimum for 2005. He played in 5 games that year before tearing knee ligaments again, and in 2006 he signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was released on September 12th, 2007 after being arrested for DUI.

Dude was a beast in Arizona... he would just take up space on our roster.