Asante Samuel to the Eagles

sandtrapjack · 02-29-2008, 02:14 PM

ESPN and NFL Network has reported that Asante Samuel is in Philly today and they are working on a deal that could be announced as early as tonight.

No link, sorry just heard it on the radio and telelvision.

SmootSmack · 02-29-2008, 02:17 PM

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 years, $65 million. Press conference tentatively scheduled for around 4:30p I think.

Hog1 · 02-29-2008, 02:31 PM

I have numerous words for the descriptive magnitude of that transaction. However, none seem extreme enough, nor are they acceptable here...............

Schneed10 · 02-29-2008, 02:36 PM

Good luck Philly, he's way overrated.

FRPLG · 02-29-2008, 02:40 PM

Seriously ridiculous. Aren't they rumored to be shopping Sheppard? How does it make sense to break the bank for a CB that is barely. if at all, better than the guy you are trying to get rid of? That seems dumb.

freddyg12 · 02-29-2008, 02:55 PM

Is today a sign of things to come?

On the 1st day of FA, we sit tight & re-sign our backup qb, while the iggles of all teams sign the most expensive guy on the mkt.

I like it. I know the iggles finished strong & could be quite competitive next year, but I like it that they're overpaying.

CooleyFanOV · 02-29-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Good luck Philly, he's way overrated.

Folks......Just be happy this isnt us this year. Im more than happy to watch someone else shell out the bucks. Talking about an impulse buy, Philly needs alot more the this dude!!!! Just sigh fellas...just sigh

Dirtbag59 · 02-29-2008, 03:00 PM

"Free Agency is the price teams pay for not drafting well."

skinsfan69 · 02-29-2008, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Good luck Philly, he's way overrated.

I think he's good but no way would I pay Samuel that kind of money. I don't blame NE for letting him walk. Free agency is crazy.

skinsnut · 02-29-2008, 03:09 PM

Whether they overpaid or not, it kinda sucks that they have a pretty good corner that we have to go up against twice a year. Philly usually keeps a modest cap I believe....hopefully this keeps them from signing someone that could really hurt us like Randy Moss

FRPLG · 02-29-2008, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Whether they overpaid or not, it kinda sucks that they have a pretty good corner that we have to go up against twice a year. Philly usually keeps a modest cap I believe....hopefully this keeps them from signing someone that could really hurt us like Randy Moss

He's not a shut down guy. He really isn't at a level where he totally removes a good WR from a game. I have never udnerstood the hype on him. He had a bunch of INTs but INTs are not the measure of a good corner. Champ is the best and he doesn't grab 10 a year because no one throws at him. Well obviously lots of people throw Samuels' way. That would concern me if I was paying him 9.5 mil a year. Why si everyone throwing at our 9.5 mill CB?

Dirtbag59 · 02-29-2008, 03:17 PM

Paying Samuel isn't Patriots' only option at corner

By KC Joyner
ESPN Insider
(Archive)

Updated: February 13, 2008

One of the big free-agent questions this offseason is whether the New England Patriots will be able to keep cornerback Asante Samuel. Samuel's presumedly high price tag will certainly have a lot to do with the Patriots' decision. There are a number of reasons to think that Samuel has a lot of negotiating leverage.

First, he is a young player on a defense that is starting to get very long in the tooth in a lot of places; five players who started on New England's defense last season will be on the wrong side of 30 at the beginning of the 2008 season. Second, the Patriots' other starting cornerback, Ellis Hobbs, gave up 9.6 yards per pass attempt last season, and he may have to be replaced as well. There are also more than a few teams that have ample cap space to make a run at Samuel.

Asante Samuel

Cornerback
New England Patriots
Profile

Even with all of these factors on Samuel's side, he might not get a Nate Clements-like offer from the Pats. (The San Francisco 49ers gave Clements an eight-year, $80 million contract that included $22 million in 2007.)

Samuel's 41.3 success percentage -- the percentage of plays a player does something successful with the ball -- and 7.4 YPA last season were both steps back from his 2006 totals in those categories (7.0 YPA and 48.8 success percentage). His six interceptions were also down from 2006, when he posted career high of 10, and three of his 2007 picks came against backup quarterbacks. Samuel's drop of the potential game-winning interception in Super Bowl XLII also didn't help his cause. To put this another way, Samuel's starting spot in last Sunday's Pro Bowl looks more like it was granted on his 2006 performance than his 2007 numbers and suggests he might be worthy of a place on my annual overrated players list.

If those factors weren't enough to give the Patriots pause, there are some compelling alternate options to Samuel on the free-agent market. The first of these players is already on New England's roster, nickel cornerback Randall Gay.

Gay had a superb 5.8 YPA last season and allowed zero completions on the seven vertical passes thrown his way. Those numbers indicate he has the potential to be a starter. Gay is almost certain to garner a lot of interest on the market, but he will not be priced at the elite cornerback level. He would not cost the Patriots anywhere near as much as Samuel and could potentially give them equal coverage value.

A higher-priced option whom the Patriots' brain trust could pursue is Marcus Trufant. Trufant isn't always mentioned as being in Samuel's neighborhood as a shutdown cornerback, but his 2007 metrics indicate he should be:

The concern about Trufant would be that his 2007 performance might be a result of playing in a contract year. I mention this because he hasn't performed as well in previous seasons. For example, in 2006 he allowed 9.0 YPA and had a success level of only 36.4 percent. Patriots coach Bill Belichick has worked wonders with up-and-down players in the past, however. Therefore, Trufant's inconsistency might not be as big of a concern for New England as it would be for many other teams.

What it all may come down to for Samuel is whether Nnamdi Asomugha and Trufant are slapped with the franchise tag. If they are franchised, Samuel will be the only high-profile cornerback on the market and he likely will be able to name his price with some team, be it the Patriots or someone else.

On the other hand, if Asomugha and Trufant hit the market, Samuel will be only one of three big-name defenders. In this scenario, Samuel could be viewed as the No. 3 cornerback available. As such, he might be hard-pressed to get the over-the-top contract value he has been looking forward to for the past two seasons.

KC Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider.

Warrior1971 · 02-29-2008, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 years, $65 million. Press conference tentatively scheduled for around 4:30p I think.

Better them than us for that cap figure.

Poppa P · 02-29-2008, 03:25 PM

i think the eagles are giving him 5 yrs and $47.2 mil.........we can us that coin elsewhere

AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace · 02-29-2008, 03:25 PM

He's good...but at that money, he needs to be getting double digit int's every year. The other thing you have to remember is that over the past few years, the Patriots' offense has been really pounding people...ie, more teams were throwing the ball to catch up...ie the secondary had more chances to get stats. He's coming to a division built on grind-it-out run games. He had better be able to tackle. I guess in the end, I'm really not that worried. I'm MORE worried that this will lead to a panicky reaction by the Skins front office to trump the Eagles by trading for a big named, overpaid wide receiver.

02-29-2008, 02:14 PM	#1
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Asante Samuel to the Eagles ESPN and NFL Network has reported that Asante Samuel is in Philly today and they are working on a deal that could be announced as early as tonight. No link, sorry just heard it on the radio and telelvision.

02-29-2008, 02:17 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles Somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 years, $65 million. Press conference tentatively scheduled for around 4:30p I think. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-29-2008, 02:31 PM	#3
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles I have numerous words for the descriptive magnitude of that transaction. However, none seem extreme enough, nor are they acceptable here............... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

02-29-2008, 02:36 PM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles Good luck Philly, he's way overrated. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

02-29-2008, 02:40 PM	#5
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles Seriously ridiculous. Aren't they rumored to be shopping Sheppard? How does it make sense to break the bank for a CB that is barely. if at all, better than the guy you are trying to get rid of? That seems dumb.

02-29-2008, 02:55 PM	#6
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles Is today a sign of things to come? On the 1st day of FA, we sit tight & re-sign our backup qb, while the iggles of all teams sign the most expensive guy on the mkt. I like it. I know the iggles finished strong & could be quite competitive next year, but I like it that they're overpaying.

02-29-2008, 03:00 PM	#8
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles "Free Agency is the price teams pay for not drafting well." __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

02-29-2008, 03:09 PM	#10
skinsnut Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,975	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles Whether they overpaid or not, it kinda sucks that they have a pretty good corner that we have to go up against twice a year. Philly usually keeps a modest cap I believe....hopefully this keeps them from signing someone that could really hurt us like Randy Moss __________________ I hate Dallas...Period

02-29-2008, 03:17 PM	#12
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles Paying Samuel isn't Patriots' only option at corner By KC Joyner ESPN Insider (Archive) Updated: February 13, 2008 One of the big free-agent questions this offseason is whether the New England Patriots will be able to keep cornerback Asante Samuel. Samuel's presumedly high price tag will certainly have a lot to do with the Patriots' decision. There are a number of reasons to think that Samuel has a lot of negotiating leverage. First, he is a young player on a defense that is starting to get very long in the tooth in a lot of places; five players who started on New England's defense last season will be on the wrong side of 30 at the beginning of the 2008 season. Second, the Patriots' other starting cornerback, Ellis Hobbs, gave up 9.6 yards per pass attempt last season, and he may have to be replaced as well. There are also more than a few teams that have ample cap space to make a run at Samuel. Asante Samuel Cornerback New England Patriots Profile Even with all of these factors on Samuel's side, he might not get a Nate Clements-like offer from the Pats. (The San Francisco 49ers gave Clements an eight-year, $80 million contract that included $22 million in 2007.) Samuel's 41.3 success percentage -- the percentage of plays a player does something successful with the ball -- and 7.4 YPA last season were both steps back from his 2006 totals in those categories (7.0 YPA and 48.8 success percentage). His six interceptions were also down from 2006, when he posted career high of 10, and three of his 2007 picks came against backup quarterbacks. Samuel's drop of the potential game-winning interception in Super Bowl XLII also didn't help his cause. To put this another way, Samuel's starting spot in last Sunday's Pro Bowl looks more like it was granted on his 2006 performance than his 2007 numbers and suggests he might be worthy of a place on my annual overrated players list. If those factors weren't enough to give the Patriots pause, there are some compelling alternate options to Samuel on the free-agent market. The first of these players is already on New England's roster, nickel cornerback Randall Gay. Gay had a superb 5.8 YPA last season and allowed zero completions on the seven vertical passes thrown his way. Those numbers indicate he has the potential to be a starter. Gay is almost certain to garner a lot of interest on the market, but he will not be priced at the elite cornerback level. He would not cost the Patriots anywhere near as much as Samuel and could potentially give them equal coverage value. A higher-priced option whom the Patriots' brain trust could pursue is Marcus Trufant. Trufant isn't always mentioned as being in Samuel's neighborhood as a shutdown cornerback, but his 2007 metrics indicate he should be: The concern about Trufant would be that his 2007 performance might be a result of playing in a contract year. I mention this because he hasn't performed as well in previous seasons. For example, in 2006 he allowed 9.0 YPA and had a success level of only 36.4 percent. Patriots coach Bill Belichick has worked wonders with up-and-down players in the past, however. Therefore, Trufant's inconsistency might not be as big of a concern for New England as it would be for many other teams. What it all may come down to for Samuel is whether Nnamdi Asomugha and Trufant are slapped with the franchise tag. If they are franchised, Samuel will be the only high-profile cornerback on the market and he likely will be able to name his price with some team, be it the Patriots or someone else. On the other hand, if Asomugha and Trufant hit the market, Samuel will be only one of three big-name defenders. In this scenario, Samuel could be viewed as the No. 3 cornerback available. As such, he might be hard-pressed to get the over-the-top contract value he has been looking forward to for the past two seasons. KC Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

02-29-2008, 03:25 PM	#14
Poppa P Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles i think the eagles are giving him 5 yrs and $47.2 mil.........we can us that coin elsewhere

02-29-2008, 03:25 PM	#15
AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Fayetteville, NC Age: 40 Posts: 896	Re: Asante Samuel to the Eagles He's good...but at that money, he needs to be getting double digit int's every year. The other thing you have to remember is that over the past few years, the Patriots' offense has been really pounding people...ie, more teams were throwing the ball to catch up...ie the secondary had more chances to get stats. He's coming to a division built on grind-it-out run games. He had better be able to tackle. I guess in the end, I'm really not that worried. I'm MORE worried that this will lead to a panicky reaction by the Skins front office to trump the Eagles by trading for a big named, overpaid wide receiver.

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