JLC: Evaluating Anthony Mix

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

but but but Olineman are fat....and and and they dont score ta ta touchdowns. the pats had da best recieving core last yer n won da supar bowl.

Uh Giants won the super bowl not Patriots?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Uh Giants won the super bowl not Patriots?

Dirtbag is still learning the fine art of sarcasm, forgive him

Dirtbag-I can't keep doing this for you

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I certainly think that we could use an upgrade at wide receiver, but I don't think we should use a high draft pick on a wideout. If Jason Campbell can't "get it done" with Moss, ARE, Cooley, Betts and Portis at the skill positions then we are in trouble regardless of whether we add another good wideout. Pro Bowl appearances are over-hyped, but I think it's somewhat meaningful that we have a Pro Bowl RB, TE and WR on our roster. We don't have as much talent at the skill positions as Indy, but we've got enough talent to field a very effective offense.

And that my friends, sums up in one statement, what I would have (and still will be) using 30 posts to say.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I certainly think that we could use an upgrade at wide receiver, but I don't think we should use a high draft pick on a wideout. If Jason Campbell can't "get it done" with Moss, ARE, Cooley, Betts and Portis at the skill positions then we are in trouble regardless of whether we add another good wideout. Pro Bowl appearances are over-hyped, but I think it's somewhat meaningful that we have a Pro Bowl RB, TE and WR on our roster. We don't have as much talent at the skill positions as Indy, but we've got enough talent to field a very effective offense.

We need to start finding our new Hogs/Dirtbags. I forsee serious problems along the O-line in the coming years if we don't starting working in new blood immediately.

Are you kidding me? What has Moss and ARE done the last two years? We need someone that can take over a game. Moss and ARE and nice 2nd and 3rd NFL wr's. Nothing more and nothing less.

[GMScud]

Anthony Mix. Really? I've never seen so much hype over a guy who wasn't drafted, has been in the league three years yet has never started a game, and has 3 catches EVER. THREE! At this point he's a been a practice squad to #5 caliber player.

Sure he's tall, but if this guy was a hidden gem, wouldn't he have shown something, anything at this point? I've read that he is a poor route runner and has just average speed for a WR. And people around here are talking about him playing his way into a #2 or #3? Based on what?

This article to me is total hogwash. JLC has nothing else to write about. We tried to get Hackett, and we didn't. We tried to re-sign Caldwell and he went to St. Louis instead. So when asked about Mix, Zorn said, "I like him." What's he supposed to say, "the guy is a bum and I don't like him" ?? Had Hackett or Caldwell been signed and Thrash makes the roster, Mix would be a 4 or 5 at best.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the guy emerge as a playmaker. But I see the chances of that happening as remote. 2009's WR class in the draft isn't exactly loaded, and unless we totally suck and end up with a top 5 pick, Michael Crabtree will be gone. Not drafting a WR this year would be a bad idea. Holding out with the hope of signing Roy Williams for '09 isn't a sound strategy either. I'd like to see a list of what WR's will be FA's next season.

Moss and ARE have constantly battled nagging injuries since signing with the team (except for Santana's 2005 campaign). No reason to think that will change. Mix can't be relied upon to fill in when one or both of them misses a game or two with the usual hamstring pull. IMO there is no rational justification for not drafting/trading for a WR. To do neither and hold out hope that Mix emerges is an awful move.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Anthony Mix. Really? I've never seen so much hype over a guy who wasn't drafted, has been in the league three years yet has never started a game, and has 3 catches EVER. THREE! At this point he's a been a practice squad to #5 caliber player.

Sure he's tall, but if this guy was a hidden gem, wouldn't he have shown something, anything at this point? I've read that he is a poor route runner and has just average speed for a WR. And people around here are talking about him playing his way into a #2 or #3? Based on what?

This article to me is total hogwash. JLC has nothing else to write about. We tried to get Hackett, and we didn't. We tried to re-sign Caldwell and he went to St. Louis instead. So when asked about Mix, Zorn said, "I like him." What's he supposed to say, "the guy is a bum and I don't like him" ?? Had Hackett or Caldwell been signed and Thrash makes the roster, Mix would be a 4 or 5 at best.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the guy emerge as a playmaker. But I see the chances of that happening as remote. 2009's WR class in the draft isn't exactly loaded, and unless we totally suck and end up with a top 5 pick, Michael Crabtree will be gone. Not drafting a WR this year would be a bad idea. Holding out with the hope of signing Roy Williams for '09 isn't a sound strategy either. I'd like to see a list of what WR's will be FA's next season.

Moss and ARE have constantly battled nagging injuries since signing with the team (except for Santana's 2005 campaign). No reason to think that will change. Mix can't be relied upon to fill in when one or both of them misses a game or two with the usual hamstring pull. IMO there is no rational justification for not drafting/trading for a WR. To do neither and hold out hope that Mix emerges is an awful move.

I understand what you are saying but reality is we never used the West Coast Offense with this personnel we have now. Mix probably can be a totally new WR in this system I trust Zorn if he is excited I am too. I believe Mix can be our Marques Colston diamond in the rough.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

I understand what you are saying but reality is we never used the West Coast Offense with this personnel we have now. Mix probably can be a totally new WR in this system I trust Zorn if he is excited I am too. I believe Mix can be our Marques Colston diamond in the rough.

My point is, Mix didn't do much in college, and hasn't done much in the pros. To stand pat at WR with the baseless hope he emerges as a playmaker isn't smart. Upgrade through the draft and still give Mix his shot. That's my opinion anyway. Guys like Marques Colston (6th or 7th round pick turned immediate stud) happen once a decade. And Colston was a beast in college, Mix was not.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Anthony Mix. Really? I've never seen so much hype over a guy who wasn't drafted, has been in the league three years yet has never started a game, and has 3 catches EVER. THREE! At this point he's a been a practice squad to #5 caliber player.

Sure he's tall, but if this guy was a hidden gem, wouldn't he have shown something, anything at this point? I've read that he is a poor route runner and has just average speed for a WR. And people around here are talking about him playing his way into a #2 or #3? Based on what?

This article to me is total hogwash. JLC has nothing else to write about. We tried to get Hackett, and we didn't. We tried to re-sign Caldwell and he went to St. Louis instead. So when asked about Mix, Zorn said, "I like him." What's he supposed to say, "the guy is a bum and I don't like him" ?? Had Hackett or Caldwell been signed and Thrash makes the roster, Mix would be a 4 or 5 at best.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the guy emerge as a playmaker. But I see the chances of that happening as remote. 2009's WR class in the draft isn't exactly loaded, and unless we totally suck and end up with a top 5 pick, Michael Crabtree will be gone. Not drafting a WR this year would be a bad idea. Holding out with the hope of signing Roy Williams for '09 isn't a sound strategy either. I'd like to see a list of what WR's will be FA's next season.

Moss and ARE have constantly battled nagging injuries since signing with the team (except for Santana's 2005 campaign). No reason to think that will change. Mix can't be relied upon to fill in when one or both of them misses a game or two with the usual hamstring pull. IMO there is no rational justification for not drafting/trading for a WR. To do neither and hold out hope that Mix emerges is an awful move.

it's hard to judge "hype" on the warpath. Since this is a pg. devoted to chatting anything skins, of course a guy like Mix is to be talked about. I don't think anyone has said he's a future pro bowler, but like other names on the all man-crush squad, he's a guy we all have high hopes for. True he hasn't proven anything as a wr, but his play on special teams shows that he has some passion for the game.

WR's often take a few years to adapt to the nfl, so maybe he's at the point where he's maturing & feeling confident. Let's hope so. If Mix caught 30 passes this year I think that would be a major success provided he didn't have a bunch of big drops.

I think you're right about the injuries, but not w/ARE. He's been very durable, I believe he missed the first game of his career last year w/his hamstring injury. I agree that we should draft a wr, but that doesn't preclude Mix getting some pt.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

it's hard to judge "hype" on the warpath. Since this is a pg. devoted to chatting anything skins, of course a guy like Mix is to be talked about. I don't think anyone has said he's a future pro bowler, but like other names on the all man-crush squad, he's a guy we all have high hopes for. True he hasn't proven anything as a wr, but his play on special teams shows that he has some passion for the game.

WR's often take a few years to adapt to the nfl, so maybe he's at the point where he's maturing & feeling confident. Let's hope so. If Mix caught 30 passes this year I think that would be a major success provided he didn't have a bunch of big drops.

I think you're right about the injuries, but not w/ARE. He's been very durable, I believe he missed the first game of his career last year w/his hamstring injury. I agree that we should draft a wr, but that doesn't preclude Mix getting some pt.

Right. I'm not suggesting we use our first round pick on a WR. We'd probably be better suited to go OL, CB, or DE with the 21st overall. But there are guys with size who will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Names like Devin Thomas, James Hardy, Jordy Nelson, Adarius Bowman, and Adrian Arrington come to mind for projected 2nd or 3rd round big WRs we could look at. Draft a WR and give Mix a shot. A lot of people around here
like him, but I think he's a fringe player as far as making the 53 man.

I jsarno wants to draft Marcus Monk, but we already have a Marcus Monk. His name is Anthony Mix. Sorry jsarno.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are you kidding me? What has Moss and ARE done the last two years? We need someone that can take over a game. Moss and ARE and nice 2nd and 3rd NFL wr's. Nothing more and nothing less.

Chris Cooley

Glad that one's settled.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Chris Cooley

Glad that one's settled.

Gotta love his hair

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Chris Cooley

Glad that one's settled.

Cooley does not play the WR position. We need someone on the outside that is a game breaker. As much we all love Cooley he's not a game breaker. He doesn't take over games. He can't carry an offense if needed. Remember what TO and Plax did against us this year? Remember what Plax did to GB in the playoffs? We need a Wr that is capable of catching 85-100 balls, 1,200 to 1,400 yards and double digit TD's. Outside of Moss' year in 05 we just haven't had anyone.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cooley does not play the WR position. We need someone on the outside that is a game breaker. As much we all love Cooley he's not a game breaker. He doesn't take over games. He can't carry an offense if needed. Remember what TO and Plax did against us this year? Remember what Plax did to GB in the playoffs? Outside of Moss' year in 05 we just haven't had anyone.

In his career he has taken over plenty of games. Think of San Francisco his rookie year, Dallas in '05, or Carolina in '06. I'm not sure what the definition of a gamebreaker is, but Cooley seems to fit all reasonable definitions.

The reason he can't carry an offense is that he doesn't play QB or RB. No WR draft pick is going to carry an offense.

I do remember what Plax did in the playoffs, but if we're being objective, I would say that over their careers, Santana is a better receiver (and certainly more of a gamebreaker than Plax is). I mean, Burress had been a disappointment until this year, and was best known for being a malcontent. I doubt he will ever have this sort of success again. T.O. is different, but how are we going to acquire the next T.O.? Guys like him don't exactly grow on trees. It's not like we need him anyway, I mean he wasn't very good in Dallas before he got Romo in there to throw to him.

If we got that guy that would be good for 1,200-1,400 yards a season, we'd have fewer balls to be thrown to potentially more explosive players. While we definately HAVE to add some depth, you have to like where we are now with Moss, Randle El, Cooley, and no Brandon Lloyd. Those guys should be able to catch all the balls Campbell is able to get to them.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are you kidding me? What has Moss and ARE done the last two years? We need someone that can take over a game. Moss and ARE and nice 2nd and 3rd NFL wr's. Nothing more and nothing less.

I see you didn't mention Cooley, Portis or Betts. As for the wideouts, ARE had a damn fine year for a #2. Moss is undeniably capable of being dominant when healthy (yes, yes he's been hurt an awful lot). Moreover, we've been fielding a run-heavy offense these past few years so it doesn't surprise me that our wideouts aren't catching 300 balls a year for 3,500 yards.

In any case, I would LOVE to have a dominant wideout. I simply believe that we have more pressing needs elsewhere. Three-fifths of our offensive line is going to have be replaced within the next 2 years or so. Wideouts don't do much good when the QB is laying flat on his back. Half of our defensive line is going to be replaced within the next year or two. Springs and Fletcher will likely need to be replaced within the next year. That's all I'm saying.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I see you didn't mention Cooley, Portis or Betts. As for the wideouts, ARE had a damn fine year for a #2. Moss is undeniably capable of being dominant when healthy (yes, yes he's been hurt an awful lot). Moreover, we've been fielding a run-heavy offense these past few years so it doesn't surprise me that our wideouts aren't catching 300 balls a year for 3,500 yards.

In any case, I would LOVE to have a dominant wideout. I simply believe that we have more pressing needs elsewhere. Three-fifths of our offensive line is going to have be replaced within the next 2 years or so. Wideouts don't do much good when the QB is laying flat on his back. Half of our defensive line is going to be replaced within the next year or two. Springs and Fletcher will likely need to be replaced within the next year. That's all I'm saying.

Well finally someone agrees with me on the O-line. As much as I want a big time WR, IMO we've got to address the O-line first.