RI: Taylor Puts on a Defensive Show

[Cowell]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

It is a good sign but I remember when I went to camp back in 2003 I saw some white guy that didn't even make the team beat Champ Bailey on a fade route. Shit happens in camp so I'm with the people saying don't read to much into it. Also saw Chad Morton get into a fight with Jesse Armstead that day....happy face (jk lol).

I was getting an autograph from Chad Morton moments before that happened.

[Daseal]

Jon Jansen is done by week 5 this year. It will either be injury or benching. I think the guy is done. He's getting absolutely abused in pre-season. I know Heyer hasn't been great, but at this point I consider him a better option. Regardless of who's there we'll be having to give them some help.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Jon Jansen is done by week 5 this year. It will either be injury or benching. I think the guy is done. He's getting absolutely abused in pre-season. I know Heyer hasn't been great, but at this point I consider him a better option. Regardless of who's there we'll be having to give them some help.

I hope it's not Heyer. I won't deny that he may be a steal down the road, but today he doesn't have the strength IMO (especially leg strength) and he definitely lacks the mean streak that make o-lineman feared in this league.

Chad R. showed a serious mean streak in Iowa. Statistically I think he put more guys on the ground than any other o-lineman in the division last year. That shows he's tough and he stays with blocks. Too bad we haven't heard Buges raving about him so far, but I still think he will end up starting this year.

[Cowell]

There is no doubt in my mind JJ is on the way out. We have a good line (when healthy), but I think it's on the down. I think JJ has one more decent year in him and then from there it's only a matter of time until our whole line begins to deteriorate. We really need to begin building our line up via the draft.

[The Goat]

I just thought it's sort of funny how this thread about JT turned into a debate about JJ - I bet there will be threads throughout the season with basically the same title but then we'll actually talk about how dominant JT is because we won't give a shit who he's putting to shame

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I just thought it's sort of funny how this thread about JT turned into a debate about JJ - I bet there will be threads throughout the season with basically the same title but then we'll actually talk about how dominant JT is because we won't give a shit who he's putting to shame

Interesting yes, but suprising, no.
If JT did this to Samuels, we'd all be freaking out (in a good way)
But preseason chatter here the last 2 preseasons has been concern about Jansens decline in performance.
To me, Heyer aint the answer...the only option is this.
Jansen must improve...cause Wade aint that great either and the rookie aint ready yet

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Interesting yes, but suprising, no.
If JT did this to Samuels, we'd all be freaking out (in a good way)
But preseason chatter here the last 2 preseasons has been concern about Jansens decline in performance.
To me, Heyer aint the answer...the only option is this.
Jansen must improve...cause Wade aint that great either and the rookie aint ready yet

Wow. If that's our only option I'm worried. I mean I don't feel all that comfortable putting so much faith in a rook but he was considered the top lineman in the division and at least he's shown himself to play w/ a mean streak.

If we, meaning Bugel for the most part, went into the season expecting JJ to be competitive all year long '08 could look similar to '07 in the trenches.

[Ruhskins]

I think people need to calm down with this. So Jensen has lost a step, and yes he's old. But he is healthy, and I hope we get the most out of him this year. We have some good backups, and hopefully Jensen will stay healthy for the whole season so backups like Heyer can continue to develop. Also, I remind everyone that Jensen hasn't played in a while, and maybe he's just getting his stuff together during preseason, and it is not in regular season shape yet. I think as long as JJ or any of the starters stay healthy, we should be fine.