Don't you think we are overreacting just a bit??

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

15 of 27 55.6% for 133 yds an average of 4.9 yd per play, yes that is horrible. Great to have a awesome passer rating when all you are doing is dumping the ball off, didn't Brunell set some type of completion record a couple years ago doing the same thing?
My comparison to farve was in how he would fair with the learning curve, they are completly different QBs. I was just saying if you have been working on something for 6 months, you should be able to show something.

Yeah, I agree with you that his statline shows that Campbell was inefficient/ineffective, but shouldn't "horrible" imply a few critical INTs...much less no INTs?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, I agree with you that his statline shows that Campbell was inefficient/ineffective, but shouldn't "horrible" imply a few critical INTs...much less no INTs?

I 2nd that

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

Campbell was horrible?? an 81.6 passer rating is horrible? And did you just compare him to Farve? Eli manning might have had more yards but had a far worse passer rating and threw an interception (probably should have been 5 picks.) People like you are why it's hard to be a skins fan.

If you think Campbell had a great game, than you must be drinking the kool-aid from the fire hose!

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

If you think Campbell had a great game, than you must be drinking the kool-aid from the fire hose!

I don't think he had a great game but he was decent considering the play of the o-line & receivers

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

My point is the skins had an extra preseason game to prepare for this. They came out completely flat on both sides of the ball, and it ultimately cost them the game.

2 weeks ago, it was a "wake up call" against the panthers, well no one woke up. Last week it was an eye opener, well someone fell asleep on the job. Everyone said "its preseason, wait until it really counts" well we saw they performed, when it really counted, and that is very disappointing.

I can understand an tolerate a loss, its the NFL it happens. But to have your team manhandled like they were in the 1st quarter is embarrassing. Our O-line looked over matched against a team that lost its 2 top defenders, our D line was non-existent, the corners and safeties looked like they had no clue what was going on until the 2nd half. And Campbell well, he was just horrible, there is going to be a learning curve (I am interested to see how Farve does this season, he is in a new system, will it take him 2 years to learn how to play the game he has played his whole life?)

Its hard to be too optimistic when you have one of the hardest schedules in the league, and you can't get positive yardage and a first down, until the very end of the first half!
Lastly I saw a total lack of urgency in Zorn’s play calling, running up the gut is going to wear down Portis, arguably our best player, and then we are in real trouble.

If the skins had merely lost I could have accepted, but they were dominated. There are a myriad of problems on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball, and our season does not get much easier.

Actually Favre himself said that the Jets system is very similar, it is just terminology which is different. Therefore Favre is not learning a whole new system and would make a poor comparison.

[724Skinsfan]

But I just finished crafting my Jim Zorn voodoo doll. Let me make an example out of his incompetence. Stupid fool should be perfect in his coaching debut! he should have made an immediate adaption after the first quarter. These games go by so slow for first time head coaches that he could have made adjustments and perfected his clock management. But, alas, it's totally impossible for him to learn from this game and get better. Everybody knows if you don't blow out your opponent and play mistake free football as a first time head coach in your first game that your destined for spurrierocrity. Stupid Zorn. I hate him and can't wait to read bad things about him in the paper.

[Defensewins]

I am not amazed. After spending an entire off season reading post here on TWP of a certain group of very overly optimistic fans saying we were a top team in the NFC east, I was expecting this to happen. I was expecting this kind of reaction from fans. These are the same fans that cried foul when the 'so called' professional prognosticators had us coming in last or next to last in the NFC east this season.

What has me frustrated is I did not like some of the moves that were made this off season and I expected the team to regress in the short term future. But I at the same time I look for some consistent level of play and discipline in the fundamentals. What I saw in the preseason and game 1 is we regressed in this measure.
I just want to see our team, especially on defense, play well. Even if we do not win. We are going to beat lesser teams, but i want to see us play to a certain standard, even if we lose to a better team.
We are currently not doing that and that is what has me frustrated. To read post of people saying our defense played well in game 1 frustrates me. To my eye of what is a good defense, our defense did not play well and truthfully is not very good.
When our defense gives up 5.1 yds a carry, we will not win many games or make the playoffs. Plain and simple. That was not good defense regardless of the score.
This was an above average playoff team last year. We are currently not as good as were last year, I think I can be disappointed and frustrated in the level of play.

[DirtyLandry]

YES. It's a shame there are so many half-wit impetuous redskins fans. It's been like the goddamn Salem witch trials. Our rookie head coach lost to the Superbowl champions by 9 points and we want to burn him alive. Joe Gibbs lost his first 6 games in Washington. Was the game ugly? Yeah it was, but give the guy a chance. And to all of you "casual observers of the game"... Stop with this bench Jason Campbell madness. It's childish, moronic and anyone who would say such a thing knows absolutely nothing about pro football!!!!

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

YES. It's a shame there are so many half-wit impetuous redskins fans. It's been like the goddamn Salem witch trials. Our rookie head coach lost to the Superbowl champions by 9 points and we want to burn him alive. Joe Gibbs lost his first 6 games in Washington. Was the game ugly? Yeah it was, but give the guy a chance. And to all of you "casual observers of the game"... Stop with this bench Jason Campbell madness. It's childish, moronic and anyone who would say such a thing knows absolutely nothing about pro football!!!!

you said it best!!!
As bad as they were they lost to the champs...I am waiting to get them back at our home later in the season when we hand them a sound thumping...Bring it!

People I think are just a little let down from waiting the whole off season and getting a very obvious team that needs more time to develop. I think if we put anything together offensively in the game we would have won...We didn't so we wait for week 2.

The saints are pretty week in defense...so I want 14 -21 points...not unrealistic I don't think!

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by 2BIG2BSKINNY

you said it best!!!
As bad as they were they lost to the champs...I am waiting to get them back at our home later in the season when we hand them a sound thumping...Bring it!

People I think are just a little let down from waiting the whole off season and getting a very obvious team that needs more time to develop. I think if we put anything together offensively in the game we would have won...We didn't so we wait for week 2.

The saints are pretty week in defense...so I want 14 -21 points...not unrealistic I don't think!

If we don't score more than 14 points against the Saints than this offense truly is pathetic.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I am not amazed. After spending an entire off season reading post here on TWP of a certain group of very overly optimistic fans saying we were a top team in the NFC east, I was expecting this to happen. I was expecting this kind of reaction from fans. These are the same fans that cried foul when the 'so called' professional prognosticators had us coming in last or next to last in the NFC east this season.

What has me frustrated is I did not like some of the moves that were made this off season and I expected the team to regress in the short term future. But I at the same time I look for some consistent level of play and discipline in the fundamentals. What I saw in the preseason and game 1 is we regressed in this measure.
I just want to see our team, especially on defense, play well. Even if we do not win. We are going to beat lesser teams, but i want to see us play to a certain standard, even if we lose to a better team.
We are currently not doing that and that is what has me frustrated. To read post of people saying our defense played well in game 1 frustrates me. To my eye of what is a good defense, our defense did not play well and truthfully is not very good.
When our defense gives up 5.1 yds a carry, we will not win many games or make the playoffs. Plain and simple. That was not good defense regardless of the score.
This was an above average playoff team last year. We are currently not as good as were last year, I think I can be disappointed and frustrated in the level of play.

Was the defense really the problem though?

They tightened up in the 2nd half (42 yard rushing allowed vs. 74 in the first half) and kept us in the game and only allowed 1 TD. If we had any hint of an offense that was a very winnable game.

Yes the D needs some improvement, but I'm not sure why you are so focused on them vs. the offense, which needs a vast improvement.

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Was the defense really the problem though?

They tightened up in the 2nd half (42 yard rushing allowed vs. 74 in the first half) and kept us in the game and only allowed 1 TD. If we had any hint of an offense that was a very winnable game.

Yes the D needs some improvement, but I'm not sure why you are so focused on them vs. the offense, which needs a vast improvement.

I said earlier in this thread that the D looked bad, but I agree that they will pick it up. The first half was not good for them, but they were on the field nearly the whole half. When Springs comes back and Rogers, McIntosh as well as Landry get their "football legs" under them, the D will be just fine.

[GMScud]

My big problem wasn't that we got beaten, it was where we got beaten. We were flat out pushed around in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Redskins football is supposed to be the other way around. The offensive line had a poor preseason, and Thursday didn't help my feelings on that. We've already seen Jansen get benched, and Casey got manhandled. We had no push in the run game.

And the defensive line just doesn't look like a tough group. They were about as solid as wet toilet paper.

If we don't turn things around on the line of scrimmage, it's going to be a long painful season.

As far as fans overreacting, what else is new? The way the game ended was a joke, and I do understand the outrage over that . Zorn has been around the NFL for over 30 years. Did he miss the memo stating there is no such thing as a 3 point conversion? How do we not kick a field goal and go for an onsides kick?

Anway, as fans we should be smart enough not to give up on the coach, the team, and the season after one bad game. I was listening to Czaban (yes I'm a glutton for punishment) yesterday, and some of the callers were just pathetic. One lady suggested all the fans boycott the games and pickett outside FedEx field. Another guy said we'll go 3-13, fire Zorn, and hire Cowher. Come on people.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

My big problem wasn't that we got beaten, it was where we got beaten. We were flat out pushed around in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Redskins football is supposed to be the other way around. The offensive line had a poor preseason, and Thursday didn't help my feelings on that. We've already seen Jansen get benched, and Casey got manhandled. We had no push in the run game.

And the defensive line just doesn't look like a tough group. They were about as solid as wet toilet paper.

If we don't turn things around on the line of scrimmage, it's going to be a long painful season.

As far as fans overreacting, what else is new? The way the game ended was a joke, and I do understand the outrage over that . Zorn has been around the NFL for over 30 years. Did he miss the memo stating there is no such thing as a 3 point conversion? How do we not kick a field goal and go for an onsides kick?

Anway, as fans we should be smart enough not to give up on the coach, the team, and the season after one bad game. I was listening to Czaban (yes I'm a glutton for punishment) yesterday, and some of the callers were just pathetic. One lady suggested all the fans boycott the games and pickett outside FedEx field. Another guy said we'll go 3-13, fire Zorn, and hire Cowher. Come on people.

First of all Matty, good original post, excellent points that everyone needs to just calm the f*ck down. If we beat NO next Sunday at home, all of the sudden we've knocked off a leading NFC contender and may be on the way towards a surprise season..

Now, to the bolded part of the quote, I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'Redskins football is' blah blah blah.. We're like the only franchise/fan base rooted in the mentality of the past. Is 'Patriots football' winging it around the field because that's what they've done for 40 years? No, it's because their talent dictates it and they win. 'Packer football' was a tough grind it out team that would physically bludgeon you, until Brett Favre started slinging it downfield and they started winning.

Bottom line, whatever makes you a winner with the talent you have, that's 'your football'. To paraphrase Rick Pitino-Joe Jacoby isn't walking thru that door folks, Russ Grimm isn't walking thru that door, John Riggins isn't walking thru that door. Either we win or lose with the talent we have but shoehorning our team into 'Redskins football' is just sports talk radio fodder.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Was the defense really the problem though?

They tightened up in the 2nd half (42 yard rushing allowed vs. 74 in the first half) and kept us in the game and only allowed 1 TD. If we had any hint of an offense that was a very winnable game.

Yes the D needs some improvement, but I'm not sure why you are so focused on them vs. the offense, which needs a vast improvement.

I have always felt if you cannot score 21 points you dont deserve to win.

Defense gave up 16, that should be a winnable game 100% of the time.