What if Ramsey isn't the man?

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Daseal, all of the QBs that Gibbs won with had something that Quincy does not...they were very smart. Carter isn't an idiot, but I know many Cowboy fans that didn't want him there, and were happy to see him go, even though they knew that meant they had to rely on old man Vinny or a baseball player.
That is one thing that all of our QB's do have....they are all very smart. So if it turns out that Ramsey isn't the man (which, for the record, I seriously doubt will happen), I don't know who they'll go after, but it will definitely be someone that has shown to be more intelligent than Q.

You know your comments refering to Quincy Carter as not smart but not actually an idiot is real close to being racist and bigoted when you take into account the way the sterotypical image of the black QB has been portrayed.

That may not be your intentions, but believe me that's not the road to take when describing a QB who has proven he can play in the NFL with professionals and lead his team to a 10-6 record. That's intelligence. I'm sick of hearing black QB's described as athletic but not actually as a thinker. I guess they don't study playbooks like the rest of the "guys" do.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

You know your comments refering to Quincy Carter as not smart but not actually an idiot is real close to being racist and bigoted when you take into account the way the sterotypical image of the black QB has been portrayed.

That may not be your intentions, but believe me that's not the road to take when describing a QB who has proven he can play in the NFL with professionals and lead his team to a 10-6 record. That's intelligence. I'm sick of hearing black QB's described as athletic but not actually as a thinker. I guess they don't study playbooks like the rest of the "guys" do.

Let's not make something out of nothing here.

So if leading your team to a 10-6 record is 'intelligence', what's it called when you're cut the following year in the preseason in favor of a 41 year old QB??

Hmmm.....

Somebody wanna help me with the word? I think it starts with a D and ends with a B.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by illdefined

what the hell, how did this thread become about quincy carter?? gross.

Daseal asked THE question of the season, and you guys talkin' bout a guy not good enough for the COWBOYS.

we finally got Ramsey in, and he's still throwing too close to the other guys. this is it, our 'hero' is in, and the rest of the season is on the line. before we start hearing Hasslebeck's name, could we discuss how scary it will be if Ramsey doesn't shake off his bad gambling with his throws?

The Quincy Carter subject emerged when Big C referred to Carter as "ass" and compared his mistakes to Ramsey's mistakes. Again, I think it is frivilous to put down a QB so that your favorite QB doesn't look as bad.

I actually think he would be a great fit for Gibbs and his system. A Gibbs offense needs a mobile QB at this point especially with the speed and agility of the LB's in today's NFL. I know he had Rypien but he also had the "Hogs" believe it or not. The offensive line we have will not allow a pocket passer to be successful. He has to use his legs as a weapon or at least be able to avoid the sack. If Quincy Carter led his team to a 10-6 record with all of the insults and yelling from Parcells no wonder he was smoking weed to calm his nerves, he would follow the settle but firm guidance of Joe Gibbs.

[SmootSmack]

Unless I've been reading this thread wrong, the Quincy Carter subject emerged when Daseal started the post and brought up QC as a possible alternative

I don't think Big C started anything

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

Unless I've been reading this thread wrong, the Quincy Carter subject emerged when Daseal started the post and brought up QC as a possible alternative

I don't think Big C started anything

yeah, think daseal started this thread... if dallas canned him for personal reasons, you really think he's going to be a stand up gibbs guy (who by the way, fired all behavorial misfits we had collected from previous coaches)?

he has a serious accuracy problem... SUNRA, you tend to equate QBs with their team's records... so, is kyle boller a top 10 QB? or craig krenzel? parcells D is what led them to 10-6 more than QC...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

At least Carter won a game for the Jets.

except that the jets LOST... please check your facts

didn't dallas want ramsey once we got brunell? if so... hmm...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Quincy Carter is so good that he got cut when Dallas had the President of the AARP backing him up.

[Daseal]

You're telling me LT wasn't the leader of that team? Please. He was the scariest thing about that team.

QC is better than many of you want to give him credit for. He's made plenty of his mistakes, but he's also shown a lot of improvement. Why don't you guys toss in some ideas? I like Ramsey myself, but I think Carter is an affordable option if Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Daseal

You're telling me LT wasn't the leader of that team? Please. He was the scariest thing about that team.

QC is better than many of you want to give him credit for. He's made plenty of his mistakes, but he's also shown a lot of improvement. Why don't you guys toss in some ideas? I like Ramsey myself, but I think Carter is an affordable option if Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey.

No, I'm not saying that he wasn't the leader, but playing LB and QB are 2 TOTALLY different things. Don't you think?

[Redskins_P]

Isn't Matt Hasselbeck on the last year of his contract? I would much rather have him then QC, Kitna, or Brees.

Then there are others like Warner, Brad Johnson, and possibly Jake Plummer who could be available next year.


You know what guys let's bring back Tony Banks!!!

[VTSkins897]

i guess daseal is the board's main guy for off-the-wall ideas but now we're just at the point where it's lame and any trash he throws out there he'll back up. however...
Q would be no worse than anyone we have in there now. why? b/c we've got one lame-duck who for whatever reason can't throw to a checkdown on 3rd and 18 and another who doesn't even have susbtantial exp. with the starting unit. note the chemistry with him and coles and how it isn't anywhere else. we've got to learn that it's gonna take time to get rams up to speed and eventually successful. there are no quick fixes. mcnabb, culpepper, carr, etc. all struggled initially. it's just the way it goes. so let's be glad ramsey is in now and unless he absolutely stinks it up look for him to be on target next summer.

and as for the comparison with the former 'skins QBs that's the trash i'm talkinga bout.. heh

[Daseal]

yeah, it was in my second paragraph first post!

[That Guy]

SUNRA, do you know the difference between someone thinking a guy is dumb and someone calling/thinking he's a N*****... i sure as hell hope so. before calling people racist, maybe think about the fact that QC made bad decisions (besides drugs, he had more ints than TDs, etc).

again with the records... craig kenzel is 3-0 as a starter, he's obviously the best qb in the nfl, and the sole reason the bears are winning those games, right?

(btw, not an insult, its an honest question)

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by That Guy

SUNRA, do you know the difference between someone thinking a guy is dumb and someone calling/thinking he's a N*****... i sure as hell hope so. before calling people racist, maybe think about the fact that QC made bad decisions (besides drugs, he had more ints than TDs, etc).

again with the records... craig kenzel is 3-0 as a starter, he's obviously the best qb in the nfl, and the sole reason the bears are winning those games, right?

(btw, not an insult, its an honest question)

Let me try to enlighten you. First of all, I am a 37-year old black man who has heard enough statements made consciously or unconsciously by whites when describing black quarterbacks that are not used when describing their white counterparts. That's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

To call someone a racist without explaining to them some of the offensive language or terminilogy used to describe black QB's is shallow and I'm not into that. People generally refer to Micheal Vick as a "running" QB. You know why that's offensive? He's not a running QB, He's a QB who has the ability to run and throw which is greatess weapon against the defense. It marginalizes Vick to appear to not really be a QB but more of a runningback who just happens to throw the ball here and there. The same thing can be said about Culpepper.

The best QB's in the league are Peyton Manning, Micheal Vick, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper and Ben Rothlisberger. What do they all have in common? They all are great runners who can beat a team with their legs as well with their arms. But Manning isn't called a running QB. He's intelligent he can use his legs to avoid the sack and throw down field. While Vick is seen as guy who is a phenomenal athlete but not really a serious QB. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

[MTK]

Craig Krenzel rocks

Can't wait to get my Krenzel jersey!