Vice Presidential Debate Thread

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you're glossing over the importance of this just a bit. The Dems did win Michigan last time but it wasn't by much, and early on polls were favorable to McCain there.

Mich is a middle of the rode sate but has voted democratic in the last 4 elections.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

First, I am no Palin fan. There were clearly many more competent choices for McCain. To me, she is a sop to the social conservatives of the Republican party.

With that said, I thought that when asked questions in her comfort zone she gave sharp answers delivered in fairly concise fashion. Outside that zone, her answers were vague generalities or the repetition of talking points.

The problem, of course, is that her comfort zone is smaller than Herve Villechaize's strike zone

That's how I see it too. She was a political choice more than anything. My sense is still that she was selected by McCain (begrudingly selected) in order to get him into office. Once they are elected, she will be a very minor player in the administration. Problem is a) while her selection has rallied one group (social conservatives) it has alienated others so the idea that she would help the campaign may be backfiring, b) she's an unknown who was met with a lot of skepticism when selected so there is absolutely no room for error (but there have been errors) on her part, and c) a lot of people are convinced with 100% certainty that McCain won't be alive for another four years so the election has, for all intents and purposes, become Obama vs Palin.

I thought her performance was average. She was obviously coached to make sure she got her points across which led to her curious decision to brush over some of the moderator's questions. When she did answer questions, it seemed to catch Biden off-guard as it seemed he wasn't expecting her to do so. Ultimately, we'll see if people remember more what she said or what she was asked.

Biden was solid. I think he's always solid. He says stupid shit sometimes (as I noted a couple of posts ago) but that shouldn't be magnified over his experience and credentials. I thought he had opportunities to go for the kill on several instances but either he decided to take the high road or is waiting for another time. Or he didn't realize he had those opportunities.

Both sides fudged or ignored the facts in some instances, which is unfortunate, but seemingly the norm at debates. The debates are for "oooh" and "ahhh" moments.

[hooskins]

So as most people said it was a pretty uneventful debate, and Palin didn't slip up. But for me that's pretty much a win for the Republicans. No one watched this to see Biden, either Palin was gonna eff up or not, and she didn't.

Although both sides had bullshit, Biden had alot less and had more substance. The problem with that, is that will not appeal to the typical retard American. Palin's BS about being an outsider and her stupid one liners will. It pisses me off that kind of stuff even flies.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

So as most people said it was a pretty uneventful debate, and Palin didn't slip up. But for me that's pretty much a win for the Republicans. No one watched this to see Biden, either Palin was gonna eff up or not, and she didn't.

Although both sides had bullshit, Biden had alot less and had more substance. The problem with that, is that will not appeal to the typical retard American. Palin's BS about being an outsider and her stupid one liners will. It pisses me off that kind of stuff even flies.

You're right... she's all fluff and too many people eat that shit up.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by hooskins

So as most people said it was a pretty uneventful debate, and Palin didn't slip up. But for me that's pretty much a win for the Republicans. No one watched this to see Biden, either Palin was gonna eff up or not, and she didn't.

Although both sides had bullshit, Biden had alot less and had more substance. The problem with that, is that will not appeal to the typical retard American. Palin's BS about being an outsider and her stupid one liners will. It pisses me off that kind of stuff even flies.

lol. It's funny though, people say that they want details, not bromides. So when a politician gets up there and actually does outline a plan, give details, numbers, etc., the viewer tends to glaze over, and that politician is chastized for being a complete bore.

Republicans on the one hand will gush over Palin because "she's refreshing" or "she's a true outsider", or "she will really change things". But then, she gets up on the stage, proves to the world that she has clearly spent a lot of time doing debate drills and honing her skills at avoiding the question -- and the Republicans praise her for being a really smooth politician.

You gotta love it.

[djnemo65]

Yeah, I think she did fine. If she had handled herself like that in the Couric and Gibson interviews she wouldn't be in the position she's in: being ridiculed as a grade A moron.

I still didn't like her answers on a lot of things but she was at least capable of speaking high school level English this time.

[gibbsisgod]

I try to stay away from these political threads, but I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet.

Palin refered the the Constitution as "flexible" when it come to the laws that govern the office that she is running for. She even added "we will do whatever we have to". Does anyone else see a problem with that? I don't care for Biden either but I'm glad he put her in her place when he said "the Constitution is very clear".

[saden1]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I try to stay away from these political threads, but I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet.

Palin refered the the Constitution as "flexible" when it come to the laws that govern the office that she is running for. She even added "we will do whatever we have to". Does anyone else see a problem with that? I don't care for Biden either but I'm glad he put her in her place when he said "the Constitution is very clear".

She said "I agree with Dick Cheney." That's a very bad thing to say.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by saden1

She said "I agree with Dick Cheney." That's a very bad thing to say.

Not a good way to distance yourself from the current administration if you ask me.

[Daseal]

Anyone else see her wink at the camera within the first 20 minutes of the debate? That was kind of hot.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Anyone else see her wink at the camera within the first 20 minutes of the debate? That was kind of hot.

Good greif....

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Anyone else see her wink at the camera within the first 20 minutes of the debate? That was kind of hot.

hmmm....there I was thinking she had a nervous tic the whole night.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by saden1

hmmm....there I was thinking she had a nervous tic the whole night.

Just what I want, a potential VP winking at the nation. I was waiting for a stripper poll to pop up from the floor.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just what I want, a potential VP winking at the nation. I was waiting for a stripper poll to pop up from the floor.

LOL...That would be an awesome SNL skit.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL...That would be an awesome SNL skit.

Yeah it would, Biden could make it rain and then shoot up the club