Jansen vs. Heyer

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

IMHO, Kendall has earned himself an extension this year. He is to the rush offense what Shawn Springs is to the pass defense.

Right on GTripp. Kendall has been a great addition and stayed healthy too. Sometimes I wonder whether Jansen really should be moved inside as a backup since his bull rush ability is right there w/ Kendall's.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Right on GTripp. Kendall has been a great addition and stayed healthy too. Sometimes I wonder whether Jansen really should be moved inside as a backup since his bull rush ability is right there w/ Kendall's.

I think Jansen could work at RG in this system. Of course, then comes the problem of what happens to Randy Thomas, both guys have signed extensions in the last two years.

Kendall might end up as the odd man out, but they would be making a huge mistake.

They should probably move Rinehart inside to Center and get him ready to start next year, IMO.

[Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]

Heyer is what need at the tackle not Jansen. CP has been running well but if you look at it the big runs have been on the left side not the right side of where Jansen is. In the west coast offense pass protection is the key not running blocking. We need to protect Campbell by all means. Jansen is terrible in pass protection and after the season he will pack his bags and get off of our cap for younger athletic guys. Don't be surprise if Kendall is next. We have to get younger, athletic on the offensive line. Heyer will become a gret right tackle for us before moving to the left tackle to replace Samuels in about 4-5 years.

[J. Spanky]

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

Heyer is what need at the tackle not Jansen. CP has been running well but if you look at it the big runs have been on the left side not the right side of where Jansen is.

actually, if you look at the numbers, our runs to the right side have significantly increased since jansen stepped in. still not equal to the production on the left, but to keep defenses honest, you have to run effectively to both sides.

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

In the west coast offense pass protection is the key not running blocking. We need to protect Campbell by all means. Jansen is terrible in pass protection and after the season he will pack his bags and get off of our cap for younger athletic guys. Don't be surprise if Kendall is next. We have to get younger, athletic on the offensive line.

i think jansen will be gone after this season too. i wouldn’t bet too much on it though. his cap hit will still be pretty significant next year, if I’m not mistaken. wouldn’t be surprised to see him kept as an insurance policy. kendall will be gone. this is the last year on his contract and he’s 35 years old with arthritis in both knees. he’s playing his heart out right now but its not realistic to expect him to maintain this pace. rhinehart will succeed him in ’09.

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

Heyer will become a gret right tackle for us before moving to the left tackle to replace Samuels in about 4-5 years.

don’t expect to ever see heyer as the starter at left tackle.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by J. Spanky

actually, if you look at the numbers, our runs to the right side have significantly increased since jansen stepped in. still not equal to the production on the left, but to keep defenses honest, you have to run effectively to both sides.



i think jansen will be gone after this season too. i wouldn’t bet too much on it though. his cap hit will still be pretty significant next year, if I’m not mistaken. wouldn’t be surprised to see him kept as an insurance policy. kendall will be gone. this is the last year on his contract and he’s 35 years old with arthritis in both knees. he’s playing his heart out right now but its not realistic to expect him to maintain this pace. rhinehart will succeed him in ’09.



don’t expect to ever see heyer as the starter at left tackle.

I think because of his contract, Jansen is going to be the short-term replacement for Casey Rabach on the interior at Center, which is an idea that was floated during OTAs this season.

I don't think Rinehart will start next year, but I think he will be active, and the first available replacement at Guard, plus he'll see more action at tackle in the preseason.

Heyer might be the odds on favorite at RT next year, but I think we're going to draft there in the first round, so I'm sure he'll have heavy competition. I also wouldn't count out Rinehart at RT or at C just yet, even though I see him as a starting guard in our future.

[PennSkinsFan]

Stephon Heyer. He played well when he started, Jansen took the job on injury, did well for a few weeks, now looks awful.

[sportscurmudgeon]

If you are playing this Sunday to win this Sunday's game and not worrying about the future and all that stuff, you play Jansen.

If you want to develop Heyer and give him game experience for "down the road" play Heyer.

[The Goat]

Clearly Jansen's one and only upside is run-blocking. The proof is in the pudding so to speak as we've seen Portis rack up yards like crazy the three games JJ has started. But... the thing to keep in mind is w/ Jansen's poor pass blocking our air assault is limited - in fact it seemed like we had to change the game plan against St. Louis to limit deeper routes and therefore the amount of time JC holds the ball. I think the implication is the longer Jansen starts the likelier teams are to throw more defenders in the box and key on Portis. The result: probably a weaker all around offense. If Heyer is finally healthy I think he ought to start and we ought to pass like crazy that first game to reestablish the air attack and keep defenses honest. Portis will see more room to run too.

Disclaimer: Both Jansen and Heyer are hurt too much IMO. Heyer is a kid but already having shoulder problems that keep him sidelined. We need to draft a bad ass o tackle for '09.

[SmootSmack]

#60 is Chris Samuels

[Daseal]

Rabach has been pretty weak this year. You know, since his name was brought up.

[GTripp0012]

Jansen is better on the Goal Line than Heyer is, but over the last few weeks, we've become a zone blocking exclusive team between the 20s, and Heyer's style fits the best even in the running game.

[Ruhskins]

CP ran for 100+ yds and we still lost, b/c of the lack of pass protection. Like some ppl have said, make sure Heyer is healthy and put him in as soon as he's 100%.

[skinsnut]

hmm...
I say...put Jansen in against the Browns because their weakness is run defense.
Monitor Jansen's pass protection and if it sucks at halftime, bench him.
But let Jansen know ahead of time.

I'd give Jansen 1 more game to prove his worth.
Last week sucked, but the prior 2 games against Rivals away with loud crowd noise, he was quite strong....the man deseves that after playing so long (with broken thumbs too)
He is tough...give him 1 last shot and make him PROVE he is a starter THIS WEEK.

[SouperMeister]

Leonard Little abused Jansen on the pass rush. I don't see Heyer as much of a liability as a run blocker as Jansen is as a pass protector, so I think Heyer should get the job back when he's healthy.

[T.O.Killa]

Why has Heyer not been given another chance, considering how bad our Oline has been playing. I wonder if they have realized that he is not starting material. It seems to me that they should give him a shot. We need to know if he is the answer at RT. We won when he was in there.