Players cooling to Zorn

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

It's interesting that Pro Football Talk is dismissed around here as a know-nothing site every time they say something critical about the Redskins - - but when they something positive or laudatory, then they bring the gospel.

Maybe - - just maybe - - there are indeed some significant flaws in the way this team is run in addition to the flaws in the way the team is contructed and the way the team is coached and the way the team has played the last month and a half.

On another point, someone said earlier that in the Gibbs 2.0 regime, there was solid coaching authority and this kind of stuff never happened then. Excuse me...

Did I imagine the incredible brouhaha involving LaVar Arrington and the coaching staff on minor matters such as should he play and should he freelance when he plays?

Was I the only one who heard some players questioning Mark Brunell as the starting QB?

Didn't Al Saunders admit that he called a play thinking Portis was in the game but that Portis had taken himself out and Saunders didn't know about it?

Here is something Redskins fans have to live with. The Redskins are not a highly disciplined organization in just about any facet of the management structure. The only thing that is certain is that Danny Boy will fire people whenever he feels like firing them. Other than that ...

This kind of story - - if it indeed has a source inside the Redskins - - is exactly the kind of story that the Skins plant as part of their process for firing a coach or and exec or a player. Keep your eyes and ears open; if you read a couple more of these stories unrelated to this Portis/Zorn spat, then be ready to watch Jim Zorn get fired unless he wins at least one playoff game.

That is the pattern of the past. And the best predictor of future behavior is - - past behavior.

Thanks a million... for making sure i'm not the most pessimistic guy around here

[A10sROCK]

Danny Snyder dumped Schottenheimer because he [Schotty] wanted to make all the personnel decisions. Snyder was a young, immature owner then; who fancied himself a GM. Every single season the Redskins have had a tough season after that, there's a cloud of fans saying the HC will be fired immediately.

The fan sites have the same threads ["xxx Coach fired at the end of this season"] - every season with Spurrier, even Gibbs and now with Zorn. Since Schottenheimer, Snyder has not fired a Head Coach - the coaches have resigned. So why would Snyder dump Zorn?

If Snyder fires Zorn after a 7-9 season [worst case] WHO in the NFL would come to coach here? Cowher? Why work for an extremely fickle boss?

PFT is not a good source. No players are going to be happy when the team starts to lose games. Zorn is a rookie coach who needs another season to get better. Zorn did not massage CP the way some top players need to be stroked. Yet, Zorn also got this team to play above itself.

If Zorn is dumped there will be no talented coaches that would come here without a massive contract and a list of conditions to restrict Snyder and Cerratto.

The truth is that Zorn is the best Snyder can get to come to this franchise. No real coach would come here to take this sort of guff from a player, suffer under the mediocre GM that is Vinny and bring this team up to this level for this small a contract. Only a washed-up coach or one who's never had a chance would take this job.

[MTK]

When does PFT say anything positive about anyone??

[sportscurmudgeon]

Smootsmack/Matty:

Come on now. There are certain writers/websites who are sure to be screeched at around here most of the time - - but when they write something nice about the Redskins, everyone believes what they say and are appreciative of the nice comments. Examples:

Pro Football Talk (Some here say that their batting average on their rumors isn't very good. I wonder if anyone were to calculate the critics' batting average on predictions such as what free agents will sign here or who the next coach will be if the critics' batting average is nearly as good as PFT.)

Sally Jenkins (When she wrote nice things about Zorn earlier this year, did people here say she was wrong and didn't know what she was saying. I don't recall those posts...)

Len Pasquarelli (He has said many more nice things about the Skins than folks here have said about him.)

[schndr_tdd]

Campbell is the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by schndr_tdd

Campbell is the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your wisdom is... wait you don't have any.

[CRedskinsRule]

I thought he would have more patience!!!

ESPN - Sources: Zorn considering resigning if 'Skins have losing season

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I thought he would have more patience!!!

ESPN - Sources: Zorn considering resigning if 'Skins have losing season

LOL that was pretty good dude. You got me

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I thought he would have more patience!!!

ESPN - Sources: Zorn considering resigning if 'Skins have losing season

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I thought he would have more patience!!!

ESPN - Sources: Zorn considering resigning if 'Skins have losing season

Nice...

[Ruhskins]

If Snyder would have wanted to do whatever the hell he wanted last offseason, he would have hired Fassell (sp?). As much as there was talk of "continuity", we have a new head coach and some things have changed. Next year we will actually have continuity, and Zorn will have a year of NFL head coach experience under his belt.

[doughtydoubter]

This time is in a weird spot a rookie head coach, aging starters that just cant seem to get it done all the time anymore, and rookies that just havent realized their potential.
Im not giving up on zorn, or campbell, or even vinnie for that matter.
But i DO Think its time to ay goodbye to some of these players that have dropped off and look towards rebuilding.

[SmootSmack]

Well you had orginally said PFT so let's just focus on that. I honestly can't recall more than a handful (if even that) of people here saying "Wow, PFT just said something good about us. They're so awesome."

Secondly, what "critics" are you referring to in regards to predictions?

Thirdly, it should be obvious what PFT's true value is. It's basically a one-stop shop for information. When they have something with substance to say they will be sure to give due credit. For example, "Bernie Mislakz of the St. Louis Post Dispatch reports..." (with a link). But they shouldn't get credit for scooping anything there. And that's not the same as "PFT is hearing rumors...."

[sportscurmudgeon]

If you'd like to start a spread sheet sometime in Jan 09 regarding the predictions people here make about who will be signed by the Redskins in free agency and then match it against reality, you'll find the batting average is pretty low - - not good enough to bet in the Baseball HoF. I'm not talking about people saying who they would LIKE to sign; I'm talking about predictions about what the team will do.

PFT is mainly a clearing house - - but they do break stuff once in a while and for an operation that is ever so slightly smaller than ESPN and FOX Sports, that would indicate to me that they do have some sources of their own.

Regarding current stuff, PFT is providing a far more in depth and understandable analysis of the StarCaps case than you will find at ESPN sites or at FOX sites. They are probing Ed Werder's story about the Cowboys intrigues looking to identify the source; Werder and ESPN aren't doing that.

PFT "broke" and followed through on the "Chris Landry plaigiarism" business.

PFT's coverage of the lawsuit by retired NFL players against the NFLPA and the subsequent findings about the NFLPA assets has been far better and far more extensive than anywhere else I've seen.

PFT was all over the story of the Rooney brothers being involved in gambling interests - - in violation of NFL rules -- long before that story got any national attention.

That list is off the top of my head, so there could well be some other "gems" in their postings over the past couple of months.

I am NOT saying that PFT is all good or that it is "THE place to go for NFL news". It is not. But to say that everything they post there is fabricated nonsense is simply not the case. And that is what many folks here say...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

If you'd like to start a spread sheet sometime in Jan 09 regarding the predictions people here make about who will be signed by the Redskins in free agency and then match it against reality, you'll find the batting average is pretty low - - not good enough to bet in the Baseball HoF. I'm not talking about people saying who they would LIKE to sign; I'm talking about predictions about what the team will do.

PFT is mainly a clearing house - - but they do break stuff once in a while and for an operation that is ever so slightly smaller than ESPN and FOX Sports, that would indicate to me that they do have some sources of their own.

Regarding current stuff, PFT is providing a far more in depth and understandable analysis of the StarCaps case than you will find at ESPN sites or at FOX sites. They are probing Ed Werder's story about the Cowboys intrigues looking to identify the source; Werder and ESPN aren't doing that.

PFT "broke" and followed through on the "Chris Landry plaigiarism" business.

PFT's coverage of the lawsuit by retired NFL players against the NFLPA and the subsequent findings about the NFLPA assets has been far better and far more extensive than anywhere else I've seen.

PFT was all over the story of the Rooney brothers being involved in gambling interests - - in violation of NFL rules -- long before that story got any national attention.

That list is off the top of my head, so there could well be some other "gems" in their postings over the past couple of months.

I am NOT saying that PFT is all good or that it is "THE place to go for NFL news". It is not. But to say that everything they post there is fabricated nonsense is simply not the case. And that is what many folks here say...

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