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[celts32]

I am about done with Portis. His version of events is not at all accurate either...the Redskins got away from the running game later in the season becasue it was no longer working. Portis wore down and started getting injured, the OL started getting injured. Does he really think Zorn did not want to run the ball? When it's not working you need to go away from it and try and win the game. There was not one game this season where the run was working and Zorn went away from it. Portis seems more interested in his stats then winning games.

[maroonandblack30]

Complaining about personal stats = non-team player/cancer/non-winner.

Skins will be better when he is gone

[BigHairedAristocrat]

This is old news, it was discussed ad-nauseum Monday when it happened. I'll restate my thoughts:

1. Portis is an idiot and becoming a locker room cancer.
2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

What does it all mean?

1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

We were using different blocking schemes right from the beginning. Day one. I don't know where you are getting this information, but it is wrong, and unless you can produce a link (in which case it would still be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be to blame), then I have to take you at face value: that you are making stuff up to support a case that you can't support with real evidence.

Nothing changed schematically at mid season. We shifted our ratio more towards the pass as the running game got less effective (which I personally attribute to injuries to Portis, Samuels, and Todd Yoder generally sucking).

[irish]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This is old news, it was discussed ad-nauseum Monday when it happened. I'll restate my thoughts:

1. Portis is an idiot and becoming a locker room cancer.
2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

What does it all mean?

1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.

Cowher will never come here and put up with DS's meddling and undermining his authority. I am starting to wonder what decent coach would want to come here (except for a big payday) if DS fires Zorn after only 2 years with a terribly flawed team. It could be the reason why Zorn was hired in the first place, DS realized that was the best he was going to do.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by irish

Cowher will never come here and put up with DS's meddling and undermining his authority. I am starting to wonder what decent coach would want to come here (except for a big payday) if DS fires Zorn after only 2 years with a terribly flawed team. It could be the reason why Zorn was hired in the first place, DS realized that was the best he was going to do.

Exactly, Zorn is a horrible coach. However, the main reason Snyder is the way he is is because he has Cerrato to act as his enabler. Snyder does meddle, but Cerrato has always been his yes-man. When Snyder fired Cerrato in the past, he stayed out of things. yes, it was only for a year, but Snyder has shown that he doesn't have to meddle... he just likes to and he Cerrato has always let him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Exactly, Zorn is a horrible coach. However, the main reason Snyder is the way he is is because he has Cerrato to act as his enabler. Snyder does meddle, but Cerrato has always been his yes-man. When Snyder fired Cerrato in the past, he stayed out of things. yes, it was only for a year, but Snyder has shown that he doesn't have to meddle... he just likes to and he Cerrato has always let him.

I hear you and agree but I think the first time VC tells DS to go away he is gone and since VC likes his job he wont do that. DS should be smart enough to keep out of the football stuff but he wants to show he know as much as any of these football guys (even though he doesnt have a clue) and if by luck the Skins win a Super Bowl with DS as owner then DS can get up and crow about how he told VC to pick up this and that guy and how he was the real brains behind putting this team together. Unfortunately DS isnt smart enough to let the football guys do their stuff. It will be more luck than anything if the Skins win a championship with DS as owner because ultimately he's the true problem.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Exactly, Zorn is a horrible coach. However, the main reason Snyder is the way he is is because he has Cerrato to act as his enabler. Snyder does meddle, but Cerrato has always been his yes-man. When Snyder fired Cerrato in the past, he stayed out of things. yes, it was only for a year, but Snyder has shown that he doesn't have to meddle... he just likes to and he Cerrato has always let him.

What is it that you do again?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What is it that you do again?

I'm in risk management. I dont see how my profession is relevant though.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This is old news, it was discussed ad-nauseum Monday when it happened. I'll restate my thoughts:

1. Portis is an idiot and becoming a locker room cancer.
2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

What does it all mean?

1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.

You know I hate to agree with Bighair because he comes of arrogant at times but, He might just be right on this one. Let's hope not.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 44ever

You know I hate to agree with Bighair because he comes of arrogant at times but, He might just be right on this one. Let's hope not.

It's almost like a split personality or somthing (Bighair)???

Sorry for coming off as arrogant. I guess i'm just opinionated. i'll work on it.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sorry for coming off as arrogant. I guess i'm just opinionated. i'll work on it.

At least your consistent. (I was joking)

[Trample the Elderly]

I have a love & hate thing with CP. I love it when he goes out there and plays his heart out. I hate it when he opens his mouth. This should be kept in the locker room, period. I think he should be fined and kept on a short leash. They have made him apologize when he said stupid things in the past. We'll have him for another year or two regardless. That's as long as he'll last anyway considering they put the weight of the world on his shoulders. We do have Ladel and Rock but barely use them anymore?
Clinton is a little dense though. He said he didn't make any mistakes. I wonder what all of those fumbled balls are called? If your reading this CP, I love you but please shut up.

Something else came to my mind. Do y'all remember all of the problems that the Giants were having? All of the mouthy little children pouting in the locker room had that team on its head. Guess what happened when they left? SUPER BOWL.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

2. That said, he's 100% correct. The reason we were so successful running the ball (and winning games) is because in the first half of the season, we were still using the Joe Gibbs running game. Starting 6-2 was -more than anything else- a carry-over from the system Joe Gibbs installed. The new passing game Zorn installed here was down right horrible. The one thing working for our offense was the running game -- and Zorn decided to start messing with it. Zorn is an idiot.

Factually wrong. Zorn's playcalling and Campbell's ability to avoid negative plays saved what could've been even more disastarous of a second half of the season. Zorn really only made a few bad playcalls IMO, the Sellers Goalline plays and a few others. I guess the timely screens and draws that were successful were terrible playcalls.....

1.This is a 6-10 team (at best) next year.
2. Zorn will be fired.
3. Vinny will be fired. (He said in an interview Snyder was only giving he and Zorn two years to right the ship).
4. Next year, at this time, Synder will attempt to hire BIll Cowher to a 12-15M per year annual contract to be our head coach/team president/general manager. Unfortunately, He will probably be beat out by Jerry Jones. There is no logical reason for Jones to have not fired Wade Phillips by now - none. the only reason he still has a job is because Jones wants Cowher and is keeping the team intact until then.
5. If Snyder can't outbid Jones in landing Cowher, plan B will be to hire Mike Holmgren as our GM and Mike Shanahan as our Head coach. This is actually may be a better situation for the skins anyway. Shanahan/Holmgren live and breathe the WCO, so we wouldn't have to change to a brand new offensive system again. They are also offensive guys so they would probably be fine leaving the defensive system in tact - our team would have far greater continuity with a Holmgren/Shanahan combo than by bringing in anyone else.

1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. Wrong
4. What has the chin done that's so incredible? He had remarkable support from ownership, good talent, weak division and one SB in 15 years. He'll be out of football two years next year.
5. What has Shanahan after the two SBs (post-Elway)? Support from ownership, good talent, weak division, nothing to show for it.

How about we stop trying to pin blame on one or two people (Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn, Campbell). We have flaws that will not be fixed in one year. Maybe we should focus on rebuilding the OL & DL and developing the talent and system we have in place. There is no miracle owner/GM/coach/player that will swoop down and bring us a SB. We tried that five years ago with a HOF coach, and IMO one of the best if not the best ever, and he couldn't bring home a SB trophy.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

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4. What has the chin done that's so incredible? He had remarkable support from ownership, good talent, weak division and one SB in 15 years. He'll be out of football two years next year.
5. What has Shanahan after the two SBs (post-Elway)? Support from ownership, good talent, weak division, nothing to show for it.

How about we stop trying to pin blame on one or two people (Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn, Campbell). We have flaws that will not be fixed in one year. Maybe we should focus on rebuilding the OL & DL and developing the talent and system we have in place. There is no miracle owner/GM/coach/player that will swoop down and bring us a SB. We tried that five years ago with a HOF coach, and IMO one of the best if not the best ever, and he couldn't bring home a SB trophy.

Support of the ownership also kept Gibbs 1 alive. yes he got 3 SB rings, but if not for Jack Kent Cookes dedication to him, who knows. I just think this is the key thing that our team needs now. we've tried every combination known to man except just letting patience and structure grow. The bad part of that is while it is developing, all us fans can do is wait and hope.