Glaring Need / Roster

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But, I think you'll agree with this, a defensive player we take at 13 has to not only fit in our scheme, but also fit in anyone elses scheme as his prime years are going to be played likely under a different defensive coaching staff.

In the first round, that's pretty much two players: Orakpo, and Tyson Jackson. Orakpo could help us at OLB next year in kind of a Matthias Kiwanuka type role, but Jackson wouldn't help our LB situation at all, and would likely spend a year as Carter's backup in the defense.

As much as I like to conceptualize everything I discuss, at the end of the day, we're still going to have to draft a player, not just a position. This, obviously, is a reason to not just draft "best available RT" as well in the first round.

BTW, Blades' skill set plays well at SLB. It's because 1) TEs are smaller now then they've ever been in the past and 2) our defense usually puts Chris Horton on the outside of him on most plays anyway.

Yes, I agree with you. We'd have to draft a fit, not just a position at 13. I guess I am just not feeling Blades at SLB at all.

I kind of think a lot of folks are under the assumption that we can draft one of the top 4 and just slot him at RT and he'll be a stud until moving to LT post Samuels. It's not as simple as it seems.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yes, I agree with you. We'd have to draft a fit, not just a position at 13. I guess I am just not feeling Blades at SLB at all.

I kind of think a lot of folks are under the assumption that we can draft one of the top 4 and just slot him at RT and he'll be a stud until moving to LT post Samuels. It's not as simple as it seems.

Sort of discredits our coaches on offense don't you think? Over the last few drafts OTs taken in the top 15 have been able to start on day 1 and some have even had remarkable success. I mean the Rinehart situation makes me uneasy... a guy they draft in the 3rd can't even dress as a rookie. But 1st round OT talent, especially early 1st round OT talent, should make it harder to "miss" right?

More generally I think players drafted early in the 1st ought to make an immediate impact, w/ the exception of most rookie QBs. If a player drafted that high can't start right away something has gone very wrong IMO, whether it's at the player or coaching level.

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sort of discredits our coaches on offense don't you think? Over the last few drafts OTs taken in the top 15 have been able to start on day 1 and some have even had remarkable success. I mean the Rinehart situation makes me uneasy... a guy they draft in the 3rd can't even dress as a rookie. But 1st round OT talent, especially early 1st round OT talent, should make it harder to "miss" right?

More generally I think players drafted early in the 1st ought to make an immediate impact, w/ the exception of most rookie QBs. If a player drafted that high can't start right away something has gone very wrong IMO, whether it's at the player or coaching level.

I agree with you, but I would say WR is the other position outside of QB, that makes for the toughest transition to the pros. Very few WR's make an immediate impact. This could explain why our early 2nd rounders didn't see much action last year.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

OLB is our #1 glaring need because we don't have anyone on the roster that can start in that role. If we had to, we can start Heyer at RT without the line collapsing. We can start Wynn or (if resigned) Daniels for one more year until we address that in the '10 offseason. However, we simply cannot go into the '09 season with HB Blade, all 5'9, 240 lbs of him at our SLB spot. That's just madness.

I know 75% of our fanbase has a love of OL, OL, OL but we need playmakers and at 13 we need to get one.

The NFL is filled with undrafted and late round linebackers that have become great players.

Find the linebackers later.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The NFL is filled with undrafted and late round linebackers that have become great players.

Find the linebackers later.

I'd venture that there are more undrafted/late round OL doing well in the league than LB. Most of the stud LB (Ware, Merriman, Urlacher, Lewis, Suggs) are 1st round picks. Yeah there's the occasional Antonio Pierce (thanks Joe and Gregg) but really, that's a position to draft proven talent for.

[Monksdown]

Yes football is a "team" sport, but every position has a certain value that when you look at it in a vacuum, can be prioritized. Obviously the Redskins have certain specific needs. That all being considered, i feel that investing in your future on the offensive line will far and away out perform an investment in the linebacking corp.

We made our investment in linebacking corp with Rocky and the with HB Blades(who is granted starting to look more like a mike to follow London). Stephon Heyer is not what i would call an appropriate investment in the single most important "unit" on the field. Honestly, I don't know how GM's get away with not spending a 1-3 rd pick every 2-3 years. The state of our depth at offensive line is a crime in a billion $ organization.

We are forced to re-act in this draft, just like last year with the wideouts. Dan develops a business model to successfully make money with the Redskins. But he takes a pass on making a football specific plan. I am tired of re-evaluating every offseason, and focusing on that year's problems. Big picture Vinnie! Look at the goddamn big picture. Start thinking ahead 5 years.

Sorry for the rant..

[ChickenMonkey]

Tough cal, I wanna go with OT since I just watched the sanfrancisco game again, and Jason got harrased all game, but I cant see spending a 1st Round #13 pick on a guy that wont start from day 1....so OLB, then OT,DE

[SmootSmack]

My somewhat educated guess says if the draft were today we're hoping Oher is there at #13 because that's who they want (and I approve!)

But (and this will please many people here) they also like Alex Mack a lot. And if Oher isn't there they would be looking to trade down and pick up Mack and if possible probably Clay Matthews (Patriots want to trade up supposedly)

Personally, as much as I like Oher I think trading down is the better option.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My somewhat educated guess says if the draft were today we're hoping Oher is there at #13 because that's who they want (and I approve!)

But (and this will please many people here) they also like Alex Mack a lot. And if Oher isn't there they would be looking to trade down and pick up Mack and if possible probably Clay Matthews (Patriots want to trade up supposedly)

Personally, as much as I like Oher I think trading down is the better option.

That sounds like a pretty good scenario to me. It would both improve our o-line and add youth. Matthews has been moving up quite a bit and he's looking more impressive all the time. Love his attitude. This would definitely address 2 of our biggest needs and improve our team. IMO

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My somewhat educated guess says if the draft were today we're hoping Oher is there at #13 because that's who they want (and I approve!)

But (and this will please many people here) they also like Alex Mack a lot. And if Oher isn't there they would be looking to trade down and pick up Mack and if possible probably Clay Matthews (Patriots want to trade up supposedly)

Personally, as much as I like Oher I think trading down is the better option.

Music to my ears. I'd love to have Mack and Mathews or Oher and Mathews. That would be fantastic IMO.

[bigant]

our OL is not that bad,but right now we do not have a OLB on the strong side that,s our weekest spot right now.....

[DIRTEE]

Defensive Line Coach and Wide Receiver Coach

[The Goat]

This could have been mentioned already on the site but Scouts Inc has us taking Ayers @ 13 (if Jason Smith goes #1 overall) which means we pass on Oher, who falls to 21, and Rey, who falls to 26.

2009 mock draft scenario: What happens if Matthew Stafford is not No. 1 draft pick? - ESPN

I think these guys must be retarded. Seriously, why bring back Wynn/Daniels if we plan to use the 13 overall on a DE? Second, our FO is high on Oher and Rey so why do we pass on them for a guy not really known/needed. Last, who hell really believes Rey falls that far? I think he falls to SD @ 16 worst case scenario.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by The Goat

This could have been mentioned already on the site but Scouts Inc has us taking Ayers @ 13 (if Jason Smith goes #1 overall) which means we pass on Oher, who falls to 21, and Rey, who falls to 26.

2009 mock draft scenario: What happens if Matthew Stafford is not No. 1 draft pick? - ESPN

I think these guys must be retarded. Seriously, why bring back Wynn/Daniels if we plan to use the 13 overall on a DE? Second, our FO is high on Oher and Rey so why do we pass on them for a guy not really known/needed. Last, who hell really believes Rey falls that far? I think he falls to SD @ 16 worst case scenario.

The thing is this, our Front Office is notorious for doing something out of the ordinary come draft day. All of this speculation will drive us all crazy. And of course the Front Office will do something that will not make the fan base happy at all. My thinking is that the organization will move down in the draft to pick-up a few more picks. And whom ever they pick, they will not start this year, or really contribute at all for this team for that matter.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

The thing is this, our Front Office is notorious for doing something out of the ordinary come draft day. All of this speculation will drive us all crazy. And of course the Front Office will do something that will not make the fan base happy at all. My thinking is that the organization will move down in the draft to pick-up a few more picks. And whom ever they pick, they will not start this year, or really contribute at all for this team for that matter.

If it turns out that way all of Skins fandom should call for Vinny's head... you can't miss out on 1st round impact players year after year and expect to build a successful team. Honestly i am worried about us trading out of the 1st completely and not getting a single starter this year, but i definitely want to believe Vinny is getting smarter at his job.