The Grand New Party

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

I go to NYC for a minute and look what happens...the government is still trying to screw us but it turns out we're cool with the planet.

I'd hardly say our position with the planet has changed considering the true environmental impact of Obama's initiatives is minimal at best, can't be quantified at worst.

[saden1]

It seems Colin Powell is on board with a Grand New Party. Good for him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

It seems Colin Powell is on board with a Grand New Party. Good for him.

Is this not the most pathetic thing you've ever heard? They can't be serious!

I don't really have a response, just wanted to welcome back the Saden-Link, it has been sorely missed!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't really have a response, just wanted to welcome back the Saden-Link, it has been sorely missed!

Thanks...it's good to be back and link once again

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

It seems Colin Powell is on board with a Grand New Party. Good for him.

The party of big government spending, big government control and regulation, and higher taxation already exists, it's called the Democratic Socialist Poopy-Head Baby-Eater party.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The party of big government spending, big government control and regulation, and higher taxation already exists, it's called the Democratic Socialist Poopy-Head Baby-Eater party.

Sir your not suppose to use Democrats and Socialist together.

[saden1]

Is this not the most pathetic thing you've ever heard? They can't be serious!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Is this not the most pathetic thing you've ever heard? They can't be serious!

You and others didn't seem to have a problem calling people tea baggers and othe Rep's names but when the shoe is on the other foot you call it pathetic. With the goverment stepping in and trying to run corps, firing CEO"S, etc... it does look alot like socialism to me.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You and others didn't seem to have a problem calling people tea baggers and othe Rep's names but when the shoe is on the other foot you call it pathetic. With the goverment stepping in and trying to run corps, firing CEO"S, etc... it does look alot like socialism to me.

I would like to issue a resolution calling on you to change your name to firstwingnut. Does that work for you?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I would like to issue a resolution calling on you to change your name to firstwingnut. Does that work for you?

See you prove my point as you don't reply to what I say you just call me names. Don't think you will find any post from me calling you or any others here names just because they don't agree with me.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

See you prove my point as you don't reply to what I say you just call me names. Don't think you will find any post from me calling you or any others here names just because they don't agree with me.

Did you read the entire article? Do you understand what the RNC is trying to do? Do you understand the intent of my response to you? Relax, I'm not calling you a name.

[FRPLG]

First....I think the point of the article and saden's echoing is that dumb moves like this show a complete lack of substance. The GOP, woozy and wobbling from knockout blows brought on by years of craptastic governance devoid of anything really conservative in a traditional sense, is showing actually not one iota of a clue. They worry about renaming things, using marketing here, to get people to vote for them. It shows a total lack of substance when they simply don't realize that people are done voting for them not because the Dems are so great but because at least the Dems represent their ideas relatively accurately. Not like the good ol' GOP who says they want small government and less taxes and so and so forth but never really delivers. The GOP should worry about actually making things happen that fit a conservative viewpoint and not about calling the Dems the "Democratic Socialist poopy head baby-eaters". It's dumb.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

First....I think the point of the article and saden's echoing is that dumb moves like this show a complete lack of substance. The GOP, woozy and wobbling from knockout blows brought on by years of craptastic governance devoid of anything really conservative in a traditional sense, is showing actually not one iota of a clue. They worry about renaming things, using marketing here, to get people to vote for them. It shows a total lack of substance when they simply don't realize that people are done voting for them not because the Dems are so great but because at least the Dems represent their ideas relatively accurately. Not like the good ol' GOP who says they want small government and less taxes and so and so forth but never really delivers. The GOP should worry about actually making things happen that fit a conservative viewpoint and not about calling the Dems the "Democratic Socialist poopy head baby-eaters". It's dumb.

I'll agree with that its just the dems throw out so many names when the rep do then they see it in a different way and that's what I was responding to.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

First....I think the point of the article and saden's echoing is that dumb moves like this show a complete lack of substance. The GOP, woozy and wobbling from knockout blows brought on by years of craptastic governance devoid of anything really conservative in a traditional sense, is showing actually not one iota of a clue. They worry about renaming things, using marketing here, to get people to vote for them. It shows a total lack of substance when they simply don't realize that people are done voting for them not because the Dems are so great but because at least the Dems represent their ideas relatively accurately. Not like the good ol' GOP who says they want small government and less taxes and so and so forth but never really delivers. The GOP should worry about actually making things happen that fit a conservative viewpoint and not about calling the Dems the "Democratic Socialist poopy head baby-eaters". It's dumb.

Fabulous post. Well said.

I was just thinking today about what specific policy initiatives the Republicans could champion since we didn't exactly hear anything like that in Michael Steele's speech yesterday.

The first two that immediately come to mind are tax reform and energy. Those issues seem to be something the American people could relate to, and something Republicans could take the lead on. With taxes, they should really commit to the idea of reforming the tax code, either with a flat tax for every single American or a national retail sales tax. I heard a comment the other day that really stuck with me -- the government should have no right to know how much money you make. The federal income tax is an outdated, inefficient, and unfair way to collect revenue. Highlight these points to distinguish from the Democrats who continue to rely on antiquated taxing methods which date back to the 1860's.

With gas prices sure to rise yet again this summer, we'll have the opportunity to drive the point home that it is insane not to tap our own natural resources to free ourselves from foreign oil.

Obviously the Republicans have no power to carry out these ideas with actual legislation. The point though, is to make the American people associate the GOP with bold, fresh ideas. With congressional elections coming around the corner, they can't afford to wait.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Fabulous post. Well said.

I was just thinking today about what specific policy initiatives the Republicans could champion since we didn't exactly hear anything like that in Michael Steele's speech yesterday.

The first two that immediately come to mind are tax reform and energy. Those issues seem to be something the American people could relate to, and something Republicans could take the lead on. With taxes, they should really commit to the idea of reforming the tax code, either with a flat tax for every single American or a national retail sales tax. I heard a comment the other day that really stuck with me -- the government should have no right to know how much money you make. The federal income tax is an outdated, inefficient, and unfair way to collect revenue. Highlight these points to distinguish from the Democrats who continue to rely on antiquated taxing methods which date back to the 1860's.

With gas prices sure to rise yet again this summer, we'll have the opportunity to drive the point home that it is insane not to tap our own natural resources to free ourselves from foreign oil.

Obviously the Republicans have no power to carry out these ideas with actual legislation. The point though, is to make the American people associate the GOP with bold, fresh ideas. With congressional elections coming around the corner, they can't afford to wait.

The energy debate was lost last summer to Obama in bipartisan fashion if I am not mistaken. Both Hillary and McCain tried and got booed off the stage. And it seems that the tax debate was lost to Obama too. Recent polls indicate that more Americans think their current tax burden is about right and Obama has no intention of changing the current scheme for those earning under 250k (minus dividend rate hike that's schedule to go into effect in 2014). Plus most Americans don't give a rats ass about people making over 250K so how do you convince them that they're better off under a new tax plan? Everyone has ideas, the key is selling it to as many people as possible so you can reach that 50% + 1 threshold.